Thread: Rightwing Lie-sphere on Eric Holder Jihad re: guns

The lies come fast & furious!

"On last night's edition of Fox News' On the Record, host Greta van Susteren lauded the FBI credentials of Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY), then allowed him to baselessly claim that the ATF's failed Operation Fast and Furious was approved "all the way at the top of the food chain," by Attorney General Eric Holder.

The Justice Department has consistently said that the operation, in which ATF agents allowed suspected traffickers to transmit guns to Mexico as part of an attempt to build a case against a drug cartel, was a local operation and that Holder and other senior Justice officials were unaware of the controversial tactics involved. But according to Grimm, for such an operation "you have to have approvals at the highest level of DOJ."


But Fox News viewers have previously received the opposite information from a source with far more experience in the area. In a September interview, Michael Sullivan, acting director of the ATF under President Bush, said the operation was "well within the rights of the director [of ATF] to approve or reject," and "didn't require authorities outside of ATF... for the purpose of initiating it."

Not surprisingly, van Susteren never mentioned Sullivan's expressly contradictory analysis, nor the DOJ's denials."
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"Right-wing bloggers responded to the news that something similar might have happened during the Bush years with an immediate and sustained scramble to deny that Wide Receiver was anything like Fast and Furious. Using a more creative dodge Fox News correspondent William La Jeunesse dealt with the possible embarrassment of Bush-era gun walking by just suggesting operation Wide Receiver happened at "about the same time" as Fast and Furious in Fox News segment last week.

Today La Jeunesse continued the knee-jerk defense of Wide Receiver by omitting key facts about the case in a segment that aired on Happening Now.

Discussing today's Senate Judiciary hearing where Holder testified about gunwalking allegations and other issues, La Jeunesse pushed defensive talking points about Wide Receiver:

LA JEUNESSE: Democrats went back to 2007 to blame gun walking on President Bush first and they failed to say however that Operation Wide Receiver was similar but different then Fast and Furious in that we told Mexico it was happening and agents tried but often failed to surveil the weapons and then they stopped the operation. John as know in Fast and Furious there was no attempt to stop it. Only with the death of Brian Terry did they and we did not tell Mexico.

The defense of Wide Receiver comes even though internal Department of Justice e-mails confirmed Wide Receiver involved the controversial tactic of letting guns "walk."

La Jeunesse is simply wrong that "there was no attempt to stop" Fast and Furious. In January indictments were issued for 20 Fast and Furious suspects. La Jeunesse suggests this just this was only in reaction to the murder of border agent Brian Terry, which were brought considerable attention to Fast and Furious after it was revealed that 2 guns associated with the operation where found at the murder scene. But recently disclosed e-mails show that before Terry was murdered, prosecutors had already planned to issue indictments within weeks. Further, while La Jeunesse mentions Wide Receiver ended he fails note that prosecutors at that time let indictments languish.

Under the Obama administration prosecutors reviewed the case and issued indictments. 6 Wide Receiver suspects have already plead guilty suggesting that prosecutors during the Bush administration made a serious error. "
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Holy shit what Liars!
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"In July, Islamophobe Pam Geller suggested that she supported impeaching President Obama on the basis of the myth that his administration supported the release of the Lockerbie bomber. Now she's found a new false rationale for impeachment: Obama's supposed knowledge of the ATF's failed Operation Fast and Furious.

Geller claims that both Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder knew the controversial operational details of that failed gunrunning sting, which is currently under DOJ and congressional investigation. Her evidence? Obama's support for economic recovery legislation which did not fund the operation, and a speech in which Holder did not talk about Fast and Furious.

In a post entitled "Direct Evidence: Holder Lied, Bragged About Project Gunrunner In Mexico In 2009," Geller wrote:

This is the most corrupt and criminal administration in American history. And their contempt and disgust for the American people is degenerate, rotten, scandalous. Holder must be fired. Obama should be impeached for Fast and Furious. The Republicans must uphold the laws of this country.

Geller points to a blog post which details how "despite... repeatedly denying knowledge of Project Gunrunner," Obama approved stimulus funding for the program and Holder gave a speech referencing it.

Apparently we need to point this out again: Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious are not the same thing.

Obama and Holder never denied knowing about Project Gunrunner, a high-profile effort begun under the Bush administration in which ATF agents were directed from other offices to the Mexican border region in order to reduce cross-border gun trafficking. They have consistently denied knowledge of the details of Fast and Furious, the failed operation run under Project Gunrunner by a team from the ATF's Phoenix office, in which agents allowed guns to be transferred to known traffickers in the hopes of building a complex conspiracy case against cartels.

The Recovery Act funded Project Gunrunner operations, but not in Phoenix. Holder's speech references Project Gunrunner, but not Fast and Furious.

Indeed, Fast and Furious was not begun until fall 2009, months after Holder's comment.

Even right-wing bloggers have pointed out that people making this conflation are wrong. But Geller apparently can't be bothered to fact-check."

Geller Calls For Impeachment Based On Gunwalker Myths | Media Matters for America
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Holder depicted by the right as a Nazi

Fox-Featured Blogger Posts Photoshopped Picture Of Holder In Nazi Uniform | Media Matters for America
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Fast and Furious Conspiracy: Hillary Clinton Edition | Media Matters for America
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"Bush's ATF Director Rebuffs Right Wing's Fast And Furious Theory

September 02, 2011 3:52 pm ET by Matt Gertz


For months, the right-wing media has been desperately trying to tie the ATF's failed Fast and Furious operation to the upper reaches of the Justice Department and the White House, claiming that President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder must have known the flawed techniques used by the ATF despite their denials.

The right-wing media claimed that the stimulus funded the operation; that wasn't true. They claimed that Attorney General Holder "took credit" for Fast and Furious in a speech; that wasn't true either. They've even claimed, absent any evidence whatsoever, that the Obama administration deliberately set up the operation to arm Mexican drug cartels in order to justify increased gun control.

But in an appearance today on Fox News, Michael Sullivan, acting director of the ATF under President Bush, pushed back against such claims, saying that Operation Fast and Furious was "well within the rights of the director [of ATF] to approve or reject," and that he would be "surprised" to learn that "authorities outside the ATF" would have known the details of a specific firearms trafficking operation."

Bush's ATF Director Rebuffs Right Wing's Fast And Furious Theory | Media Matters for America
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Emails Debunk* IBD 's "The White House Knew" Claim | Media Matters for America
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tHIS IS WHY i NEVER PUT ANY CREDENCE IN WHAT COMES OUT OF THE RIGHTWING NOISE MACHINE.
It's all ass-pulled lies. All of it.

Hold on there - talking about Holder so you expected Fox Geobels Machine to tell what ?? DA TRUTH ???? Gte serious sir !!! LOL

No, I wantd to demonstrate how the members that come here parroting Fox and the daily caller and the Breitbart newsletter beast like good little useful idiots are poster children for what we don't want our children to end up as. Losers.

@michaelr

This all stems from Iran Contra. The government has been arming the cartels, their bank fund them, and just recently it was learned that the fucking DEA has been laundering the profits.

This is by definition Government Drug Importation by Proxy.

Now they says it is legal.

You sell guns, fund and launder the profits, we will see how legal it is.

Originally Posted by Oscar99

stupidest comment you've ever made, and you've made some damn stupid comments.

it all stems from Iran contra. The only difference is, the CIA ain't doing the importing, their cartels are.

Originally Posted by Oscar99

no, my silly friend, this has NOTHING to do with Iran-Contra.

Really? well maybe not Iran and the Contras but yes this is an extension of Iran Contra, guns for drugs, just this time it is drug money. Now get caught with the shit, just because the government is involved doesn't make it legal. You will go to prison, and the banks will make bank from that too.


One should wonder where tis money is going. With Iran Contra the funds bought heavy weapons for Iran. There is a lot of money in wiping out the inner cities.