Thread: Are people who criticize Obama racist?

Originally Posted by the watchman

I think the birthers are seen as racist because it's so absurd to think a sitting President wasn't born here. That, and the fact that no other President has ever had people questioning his citizenship.

Just curious huh?

Ok, whatever.

I think it's rather absurd to sit and watch the birthers go nuts for months and watch all of the failed legal processes that throngs of birther nuts flooding the forums with just plain voluntarily ignorant suggestions and accusations and then all of the sudden pretend they just woke up over a year into the stupid non issue and say "we'll i was just curious and wanted to see his birth certificate" I don't buy that BS one single bit.

I could see if they were 15 how that could be true..but for grown adult who spends a lot of time on this forum and being fully aware of the situation and all of the nuttiness and racism involved it's just not believable.

Originally Posted by goldendog

I think it's rather absurd to sit and watch the birthers go nuts for months and watch all of the failed legal processes that throngs of birther nuts flooding the forums with just plain voluntarily ignorant suggestions and accusations and then all of the sudden pretend they just woke up over a year into the stupid non issue and say "we'll i was just curious and wanted to see his birth certificate" I don't buy that BS one single bit.

I could see if they were 15 how that could be true..but for grown adult who spends a lot of time on this forum and being fully aware of the situation and all of the nuttiness and racism involved it's just not believable.

I'm not a birther but I don't see just how being a birther makes you a racist. Please make a case for that point.

Originally Posted by Dutch

I'm not a birther but I don't see just how being a birther makes you a racist. Please make a case for that point.

That case has been made a thousand times & yet you ask to repeat it again??
Suffice it to say that all thinking people understand that people who are still birthers are racists.
Take it on faith!
I'll take that one step further & express my opinion that someone who would post a picture of President Obama in the crosshairs of a rifle-scope is also most likely a racist!

Originally Posted by gabebrooks

Let's just say I didn't condemn him before he even had the chance, like for example... the GOP. Let's further say that I didn't want to deliberately sabatage him, regardless of what his goals were... like for example... the GOP. In conclusion, we may never know how well or how poorly things could have gone, due to the obstruction of... you guessed it! The GOP!

If the GOP really believes in cutting taxes, why do they fight for the tax cuts to stick for the rich, but plan to let the tax cuts expire for the middle class? Who do they really serve? I'm not rich, so it's not me. The tax breaks and incentives that President Obama championed all did something for me. The rich, who supposedly would trickle down their wealth if they got tax breaks, forgot to trickle.

Sorry man, modern history has proven that the only thing that trickles is the economy with the GOP running the show.

Yes, comrade, you are so right. Let the running dog bourgeoisie stew in their own juices while we the proletariat build the fires of the revolution from their failed factories. All hail mao...errr......obama..........





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Originally Posted by Dutch

I'm not a birther but I don't see just how being a birther makes you a racist. Please make a case for that point.

Tell me? How many facts would a person have to ignore to believe over two years into his presidentcy that he's not legitimate?

Those nuts where whining about it from the day he was sworn in that justice Roberts fucked that up and they had to redo it.
Most Birthers just hate the president...that was more than clear and was being hashed out for over two years...many were outright racists from the get go that is a known fact...and many just used his race to attack him and might not be racists.

But to sheepishly pretend that the subject has peaked your interest almost two years into it while watching the entire thing play out and say "gosh all i wanted to do was see his birth certificate" that's just not believable. When we all know those mentally and intellectually challenged people wanted to see was for this black president to jump through hoops and do what they say. There was no other reason for it...that's why inspector Trump in the end became their leader..he demands that peeons jump through hoops and do what he says for a living.

If you don't see it that way then we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by goldendog

Tell me? How many facts would a person have to ignore to believe over two years into his presidentcy that he's not legitimate?

Those nuts where whining about it from the day he was sworn in that justice Roberts fucked that up and they had to redo it.
Most Birthers just hate the president...that was more than clear and was being hashed out for over two years...many were outright racists from the get go that is a known fact...and many just used his race to attack him and might not be racists.

But to sheepishly pretend that the subject has peaked your interest almost two years into it while watching the entire thing play out and say "gosh all i wanted to do was see his birth certificate" that's just not believable. When we all know those mentally and intellectually challenged people wanted to see was for this black president to jump through hoops and do what they say. There was no other reason for it...that's why inspector Trump in the end became their leader..he demands that peeons jump through hoops and do what he says for a living.

If you don't see it that way then we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

Look, I understand the birthers are wrong. I get that. However, how does being wrong make you a racist? Please explain that part.

Originally Posted by Dutch

Look, I understand the birthers are wrong. I get that. However, how does being wrong make you a racist? Please explain that part.

I have mention that being voluntarily ignorant and intensely arrogant is what fed them and most probably still is...most if not all are just that...they may not be racists but they use race to attack him...i'll repeat so you might hear it this time. THEY MAY NOT BE ALL RACISTS..but they all have to be intensely voluntarily ignorant and intensely arrogant to carry it on as long as they did...and i would not be at all surprised if they tried to make it an issue yet again between now and election time.

Originally Posted by goldendog

I have mention that being voluntarily ignorant and intensely arrogant is what fed them and most probably still is...most if not all are just that...they may not be racists but they use race to attack him...i'll repeat so you might hear it this time. THEY MAY NOT BE ALL RACISTS..but they all have to be intensely voluntarily ignorant and intensely arrogant to carry it on as long as they did...and i would not be at all surprised if they tried to make it an issue yet again between now and election time.

The fact is some people are never going to believe the "facts" whatever those facts may be. I believe they start with a premis and then look only for those things that support that premis. Logic, evidence, or even reason don't seem to resonate with those folks. It's unfortunate that so many people are birthers just as it's unfortunate so many people are truthers. I also believe it's unfortunate so many people believe a second shooter was on the mall during kennedy's assasination. It's irritating as hell but that's just the way human nature is. Why use racism to explain something that has nothing to do with racism. When chester a arthur, yes he was an american president, was accused of being born in canada of all places racism wasn't involved. Why would it be involved now?



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By Carlene Peterson
GateHouse News Service
Posted Sep 10, 2011 @ 09:35 AM


For Mike Berger, the tragedy that consumed our nation and much of the world on Sept. 11, 2001, is a matter of opinion.

He’s not happy about that.

Berger, media coordinator for 911truth.org, doesn’t have a theory on who did it. He says he doesn’t meddle in conspiracy and innuendo.

But he sees a lot of that going around, even now — a decade after the famous fire at ground aero.

Tradition vs. opinion

Opinion, in some ways, is Berger’s greatest foe. His organization is dedicated to asking questions, finding answers. Trouble is, most people aren’t able to distinguish between opinion and fact.

“The number of people who don’t believe the official story is going up,” Berger said. “Now the problem is, those people are believing garbage.”

Berger is a member of a community of bloggers with a mission – to point out that there are still unanswered questions and that the attacks on 9/11 weren’t necessarily acts of foreign terrorists.

The “truthers” don’t accept the findings of The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.

“The whole point of the commission was not to find blame but to find answers so we could protect ourselves,” Berger said. “The only people who were punished were the whistleblowers. Everyone else was promoted.”

Evidence abounds

On the other side of the fence are myriad professionals, from structural engineers to experts in explosives, who find most of the “official word” factually intact. Thomas Eagar, professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is one of those.

A crucial cog in many truthers’ arguments is that thermite, a material that when ignited releases extremely high temperatures and is used in bombs, was found among the wreckage at ground zero.

“There are scientifically peer-reviewed papers with evidence of thermite. The physical evidence is found on several monuments where steel was brought around the country,” says Berger.

Some truthers use the presence of thermite as proof that explosives were involved in the attacks – not just airplanes flown by terrorists.

While small amounts of thermite were found, according to Eagar, its presence means next to nothing.

“The number of tons of thermite you would have to have to bring these things (the twin towers) down is just tremendous,” he said. “It would have to fill rooms.”

Then why the huge explosion? Why did the buildings fall?

Because the massive fires caused by the crashing planes were unique, Eagar said. Because when you add large quantities of jet fuel to a crash, the resulting fire is strong enough to weaken steel – not melt it, but weaken it long enough to cause a building to collapse........

Originally Posted by Blackbeard

Perhaps your buzz the reason you're not reading...and comprehending at the same time. The facts are real clear here, and the typical process of denial from much of the race baiting that occurs on these threads is typical as well. I was in this thread exchanging with member @gabebrooks ..........who wrote a ridiculous sentence and I quote "President Obama has undergone scrutiny and disrespect that is far above and beyond what any Democrat or Republican has seen in a long time." That is when @goldendog contributed to the thread and I immediately used him as a posterchild to make my point, Rain was a sideshow posting, she and I merely don't get along.

It has been a solid Democrat platform strategy to ask "why this President, what is it about this President that is different." Or my favorite, what "what else could it be" that came from Gabe. And if many on the Left in here haven't used Gabe's exact words, they've made the following same claim "Obama has undergone scrutiny and disrespect" and then of course the give away line in Gabe's post "far above and beyond what any Democrat or Republican has seen in a long time."

I used gd's as well as gd and I spent some time in a previous forum with gd slamming President Bush and I mean far far beyond anything said about Obama.....he knows full well as do I that this pretend game many of you play in being outraged at the level of criticism for Obama, this game of being outraged and pretending Obama's criticism is until today never been seen.......is in fact a political game. Many members in these forums........boon......aren't surprised...or outraged....or find it unexpected....are in fact trained professionals at criticism on every level.

Obama hasn't been accused of murder in either war or military conflict not even for drone strikes into Pakistan. Obama isn't blamed for ruining the entire economy beyond where Bush's blame is assigned. Look to the link from 505 you thought was so off track, it examples children getting cancer treatment it's got a few other emotional pull at the heart string liberal poppycock, look to many argument's over the years concerning President Bush....and then many of you all sit here and pretend the "what else could it be but racism" regarding President Obama?

The boy has cried wolf applies in this forum, Boon. Many used that card up, I just don't think the race baiting dog will hunt any longer. We shall see. But don't none of you forum veterans try to pretend yer all outraged and spittin mad somebody is criticizing your President, don't none of ya sit there and play the what else could it be card.......that's transparent, that is Casper the f'n friendly ghost on these forums. You Lot have cried wolf where it's never been warranted thus if it ever is warranted...no one believes you anymore.

Back to your buzz.

I don't think it's a "solid democrat strategy" of asking the questions you spoke of. Although I know what you're referring to. I recall a certain member of congress asking "what else could it be" ,and I thought it was over the top nonsense. Even though she claimed that it was a concern she was relaying from her constituents. I believe the argument was that once everything else has been eliminated THEN "what else could it be" on this thread. I also think that it's the type of criticisms that Obama is receiving that are at issue, not so much whether it was at the same level as previous Presidents. It started the minute he announced he was running. The secret service had to be deployed earlier in the campaign than any other presidential race in history to protect the Obama's ,because of death threats. There's Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Ann Coulter and others crossing the line with impunity ( except Beck did get fired after boycotts of his show). Then there was the infamous "tar baby" remark. Not to mention birthers, the Tea Party ( who were sanctioned by the NAACP because it got so bad) , and a host of threads and commentary regarding Michelle Obama's butt. All the while there appears to be silence from the right, until someone on the left confronts it. Then all of the sudden there's outrage. But not at the blatant acts of racism. It's for objecting to it.

And there are those on the right that have the audacity to wonder why anyone could possibly think they're racist.

Well duh.

Originally Posted by the watchman

"White Guilt" is a term I believe is racist ( yeah I know it's counter-intuitive for me to claim that, given what I've already stated). It's always used as a pejorative and in an effort to invalidate sincere efforts on the part of whites, usually liberals, towards compassionate social programs and policies towards blacks. If I'm wrong I welcome any arguments to the contrary.

Hello?

If the "compassionate" social programs and polies are intended to primarily assist blacks, and not just the poor in general, then IT IS a racist program.

That you could claim support for such a racist program reflects on your attitudes.