Thread: Unconstitutional

I want to start a list of actions, laws, and spending that our government has done that you think is unconstitutional. List anything under any president we have had.

[quote name='Conservative15' date='02 September 2009 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1251921620' post='15678']

I want to start a list of actions, laws, and spending that our government has done that you think is unconstitutional. List anything under any president we have had.

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Do you mean under the constitution as it was meant to be for a very long time or after it became bastardized with federal income tax legislation and federalist legislation, etc.?



I would include any gov spending or program that goes against the spirit of the constitution as it was written and intended to be written for the first hundred years or so. So for example, slavery was intended to be eliminated so anti-slavery laws are consistent with the spirit. A federal government that is more powerful than the states and dictates to them what they should do is not consistent with the Const.



Take public education as an example too. The states technically run the educational system. But in practice the fed taxes all the citizens of the states and then returns the money to the states only if they run the educational system the way the fed wants it run. It is within the letter of the law but against the intent or spirit of the law.

How about we begin with the Income Tax?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...s_Constitution



The 16th Amendment was never propertly ratified.



There is not one SINGLE law that requires anyone to file an income tax return.



That then ripples down through the States, in terms of the unfunded mandates and so on.



Repeal the 16th, and you've taken a big step in terms of restoring the balance of Powers.

[quote name='nonsqtr' date='02 September 2009 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1251922978' post='15694']

How about we begin with the Income Tax?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...s_Constitution



The 16th Amendment was never propertly ratified.



There is not one SINGLE law that requires anyone to file an income tax return.



That then ripples down through the States, in terms of the unfunded mandates and so on.



Repeal the 16th, and you've taken a big step in terms of restoring the balance of Powers.

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I agree that the 16th is a bad amendment. Income tax was allowed before it but it was not feasible.



The supreme court upheld the 16th. It is law of the land just bad law.

[quote name='nonsqtr' date='02 September 2009 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1251922978' post='15694']

How about we begin with the Income Tax?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...s_Constitution



The 16th Amendment was never propertly ratified.



There is not one SINGLE law that requires anyone to file an income tax return.



That then ripples down through the States, in terms of the unfunded mandates and so on.



Repeal the 16th, and you've taken a big step in terms of restoring the balance of Powers.

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Never properly ratified? Can you expand on this? I have heard this before.

[quote name='Conservative15' date='02 September 2009 - 04:00 PM' timestamp='1251921620' post='15678']

I want to start a list of actions, laws, and spending that our government has done that you think is unconstitutional. List anything under any president we have had.

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How about for 1 The HMO's were put in place! 2 The Patriot Act.... What the F was that all about?

[quote name='michaelr' date='02 September 2009 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1251924985' post='15716']

Add preventative detention.

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agreed

Eminent domain for private developers

Ex post facto laws - 2 of them at least

Warrantless wiretapping and surveillance

"Free speech zones" - I mean, come on... WTF is this? ???



Shall we continue?



Speedy trial

Right to examine evidence and confront witnesses

Executive Branch power grabs in MANY areas - including the definition of WHO IS A TERRORIST, which is NOT the Executive Branch's decision....





Shall we continue?



(I could go on for a LONG time)....