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    GOP primary polling in the next two weeks.

    With the definite entry of New Gingrich into the GOP primary fray and the exit of Mike Huckabee from said fray, coupled with the surprise performance of Herman Cain at the GOP debate SC and Mitt Romney's implosion with his speech over "Romneycare" vs. "Obamacare", it is fair to say that the polling numbers for the 2012 GOP nomination are about to change radically.

    Consider this: for a guy who hadn't even announced, hadn't made trips to IA, hadn't put money into this thing, Huckabee's numbers in a crowded GOP field were quite amazing. His absence would logically mean that SOCONS and FICONS will be looking for a new standard bearer, depending on how you look at Huckabee.

    Nate Silver did a pretty good write-up on this called "Who benefits if Huckabee doesn't Run?". In short, he matched up criteria for likely voters for Huckabee to see where they would fit with other candidates. FACIT: Cain, Palin and Gingrich come out on top as most likely recipients of what would have been the "Huckvote".

    Now, this is a little for fun, but I am going to make a educated guess and let's see what the next couple of weeks brings.

    Here are the current RCP polling averages for all the candidates, calculated before Huckabee pulled out:

    Romney: 16.6 (steady)
    Huckabee: 16.4 (steady)
    Trump 12.9 (declining)
    Palin 10.6 (steady)
    Gingrich 7.7 (steady)
    Paul 7.2
    Bachmann 4.3
    Pawlenty 3.6
    Daniels 3.3
    Santorum 2.0

    There has been no polling yet for Cain, but I suspect his name will be included in the polling soon. Since he is of a similar cloth to Palin and Bachmann and assuming that he actually got some traction from the debate from more people than just a FOX survey group, let's start Cain at about 5.5.

    I am assuming that Santorum will bottom out because of his culpability in the John Ensign scandal.

    Which leaves as the last great mystery the name Daniels. Will he run, or not?

    Final assumption is that Romney will lose at least 4 points in polling this week. His team is hoping against hope that he does not lose more than that. If he really bottoms out, then no amount of excel spreadsheets are going to help him here....

    So, here is how the averages could look within 2 weeks, when all is said and done:


    Romney: 12.6 (declining)
    Palin 12.4 (+2.8, Huckvoters)
    Gingrich 11.7 (+4, Huckvoters)
    Daniels 11.0 (assuming his name is included in polling)
    Trump 10.9 (-1, continued proof of gravity causing one to fall on his ass)
    Paul 8.0 (+0.8 announcement bounce)
    Pawlenty 5.6 (+2 Huckvoters)
    Cain 5.5 (assuming his name will be included in polling)
    Bachmann 5.3 (+1 Huckvoters)
    Santorum 1.0 (race to the bottom)
    Undecided: 16.0

    Now, like I said, this is just a guess,but an educated one. Those Huckvoters are going to have to decide who they would pick next, and depending on region of the country, that may differ.

    Why such a jump for Daniels? Well, because the media is all over Daniels right now, he is currently flavor of the week or such and as such, if his name appears on polling, there is a distinct chance that he will gain traction.

    And don't forget Palin. Even without announcing, she still has a very loyal core of voters who are really hoping that she throws her bonnet into the ring.

    If this does not happen, and Romney does not take a hit from his "my health care plan is not like Obama's health care plan" speech, if indeed his numbers actually increase in spite of the fact that the Huckvoters are not really thrilled with Mitt at all, then that means that the republican voters have decided early to coalesce around one front runner, in the hope that he can unseat an incumbent president.

    This is all conjecture at this point, but in two weeks I will come back and compare the RCP averages with these predictions of mine. Should be a lot of fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    What does Gingrich think about Romney? Do you know, bonn? Gingrich gave the oddest interview today on MTP. He came out swinging against the Ryan plan, said the Medicare part was extreme, and right-wing social engineering. And he gave a strong defense of the individual mandate.

    Could he be trying to help Romney in some way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    What does Gingrich think about Romney? Do you know, bonn? Gingrich gave the oddest interview today on MTP. He came out swinging against the Ryan plan, said the Medicare part was extreme, and right-wing social engineering. And he gave a strong defense of the individual mandate.

    Could he be trying to help Romney in some way?
    Hi, oh mythical animal!

    I am not sure about that. But of one thing I am absolutely sure: Gingrich will say anything in the world to help himself.

    Remember when the GOP retook the House of Representatives in 1994 and then Gingrich had the audacity to do a 1/2 hour television spot leaning on a desk that what made to look very presidential? With the flag behind it and everything?

    I had a personal experience with Gingrich 16 years ago . His second wife has relatives in Columbiana County, OH: back then, I believe it was two nieces, his then wife Marianne came from Leetonia, and had either a sister or brother still living there. I think they even married there, if I recall correctly what my colleague said to me - so he came out to the Leetonia and I believe he visited both Leetonia HS and East Palestine HS in 1994 shortly after becoming Speaker of the House, around Christmastime. I was the music teacher at a neighboring school system (1990-1992) and came out to hear him in Leetonia, mostly because some parents of a number of my former students knew his family. He also had a strong reputation in this county for he helped a GOP candidate win a very democratic CD encompassing Youngstown about 10 years earlier. In my whole life have never encountered a colder, nastier, larger ego than Gingrich's as I did on that day. And I mentioned to a colleague of mine on that day: "mark my words, this guy is going to run for President one day". But then he resigned in disgrace in 1999 and I thought, well that's then end of him...

    BTW, did you know that his first two marriages lasted 19 years apiece? Wonder if that means that Callista is good until about 2018?
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    I can say with full confidence that Paul is the only one of any of those I would ever vote for.
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    Thank God for GOP Primaries! (GOP candidates are currently forced to run so far to the right to win them that they they destroy their chances to win in the General....... for President anyway!)
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    I'm interested in what happens to the GOP polling after they stop including Huck, Palin, and Trump. None of them are going to run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I'm interested in what happens to the GOP polling after they stop including Huck, Palin, and Trump. None of them are going to run.

    That is exactly why I think the next two weeks are pretty important. I just posted this over at Nate Silver's site, it pretty much covers what you are alluding to:

    "It is also the question of which GOP contenders will survive the next weeks. Surely GOP 2012 nomination polling will show immediately

    a.) if Romney survived his \"my Romneycare is nothing like that Obamacare\" speech that was immediately rejected by the right. If his numbers tank, who knows if he will even officially declare.

    b.) that the Huckvote will redistribute itself pretty quickly, I bet. With newfound name recognition, I can imagine Herman Cain making a splash on the board for a while. Certainly Palin could stand to gain from this, also Gingrich (in spite of his infidelity problems).

    c.) Palin has not quit her job at FOX. This tells me that she is probably not running, but she is as unpredictable as a fractal on drugs, so anything is possible.

    d.) Daniels can only stay on the fence so long. Lots of conservatives do not like him, but they think he looks presidential. You know that the conservatives are in a bind when they think they need a candidate from IN to recapture what was a core GOP state in 2012.

    I really think that the biggest loser in all of this is Tim Pawlenty. He is simply not not getting any traction and not likely to attract Huckvoters.
    If Mitt's stock rises this week and his numbers don't take a tumble, then I surmize that he is on trajectory for the nomination, and a number of smaller players may just get out of the way and spare themselves (and us) a lot of expensive drama. If he falls deep into the pit, however, then it could be a real dogfight. I'm expecting the dogfight.

    Finally, bloggers and the punditosphere may love to say stuff, but none of these candidates are dumb (well, in the case of Bachmann and Palin, I reserve judgement): they know their electoral history well enough to know that it is not easy to unseat an incumbent. And this time around it will be more expensive than ever before. So, these candidates are really thinking twice before taking the jump. Gingrich has been planning this thing for a lot time and carefully loading up on money. Romney never put away his excel tables from 2008, he has been refining them all along.
    So, I suggest that the next two weeks will be extremely decisive."
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    Huckabee doesn't need to go to Iowa. He has a TV show that the Sheeple watch.

    I watched a bit of Herman Cain. He would be a disaster for America. Talked about taxes being too high and regulations..UMMM DE-regulation got us into the mess we currently are in and taxes are near record lows. All he does is BAAA to the Sheeple who are to ignorant to research but just repeat everything they are fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonncaruso View Post
    That is exactly why I think the next two weeks are pretty important. I just posted this over at Nate Silver's site, it pretty much covers what you are alluding to:
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    Thx, bonn. Good point on Pawlenty. He seems to be just wallowing, gaining no traction at all.

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    Trump's out, btw. Put me down in the 'not the least bit surprised' column:

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