Modern Man

**USA-1** · 23rd February 2011 09:52 AM

What also makes pre-adulthood something new is its radical reversal of the sexual hierarchy. Among pre-adults, women are the first sex. They graduate from college in greater numbers (among Americans ages 25 to 34, 34% of women now have a bachelor's degree but just 27% of men), and they have higher GPAs. As most professors tell it, they also have more confidence and drive. These strengths carry women through their 20s, when they are more likely than men to be in grad school and making strides in the workplace. In a number of cities, they are even out-earning their brothers and boyfriends

The Chickification of America lives and breathes. One of the last dinosaurs, Oldschool remembers when men had confidence and drive. I and the rest of my posse still display it all and everyday. Today....women have the drive and confidence.......men are turning into a bunch of country variety tulips and I thank our instant gratification and entitlement society for causing this.

I weep for the flower of manhood today, where has it gone...asks Oldschool.

Where Have the Good Men Gone? - WSJ.com

**Rasselas** · 23rd February 2011 10:31 AM

"Confidence" and "drive" are really hard things to measure over a large population. And I don't know that young men are 'tulips' (what exactly is that metaphor supposed to mean?) so much as we live in a society with LOTS of entertainment opportunities and young men seem to like those distractions more than a certain kind of achievement.

The measurable things in your post--like college graduation rates--are more likely the result of a level playing field. Women are no longer discouraged from getting educations and moving into highly-paid professions. Since the best achievements in the modern world are accomplished with one's brain and through cooperation, women are now on at least equal footing with men. Also, the behaviors associated with classrooms and studying (sitting still, listening, responding thoughtfully, engaging in cooperative discussions) are just the sorts of behaviors we cultivate in girls. The kinds of behaviors we promote in boys (physical activity, confrontational relationships, building things in the physical world) simply have fewer positive outlets in a society dominated by the manipulation of information.

Here's what I think: You believe that men need to be more like men, and that making them be more 'tulip-like' destroys their drive. I think the stronger claim is that the very things that make people successful in the new economy are the qualities we inculcate in women, and therefore women are the more successful in that new economy. Maybe the answer, then, isn't to decry the lack of manliness in the world, but to recognize that womanly qualities are, in fact, more necessary in a more advanced society. It's what separates us from the Muslims and the tribalists and all the other people who threaten us, after all.

**angryamerican** · 23rd February 2011 10:50 AM

Why did I picture Knuckle Dragging when I read the first post?? hmmm

**Granite** · 23rd February 2011 10:54 AM

At the same time, young men were tuning in to cable channels like Comedy Central, the Cartoon Network and Spike, whose shows reflected the adolescent male preferences of its targeted male audiences. They watched movies with overgrown boy actors like Steve Carell, Luke and Owen Wilson, Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, Will Farrell and Seth Rogen, cheering their awesome car crashes, fart jokes, breast and crotch shots, beer pong competitions and other frat-boy pranks. Americans had always struck foreigners as youthful, even childlike, in their energy and optimism. But this was too much.

What made me think of Liberals when I read this?

Any of you Liberal men have Star Wars posters?

**USA-1** · 23rd February 2011 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by JoJoGunne

Any of you Liberal men have Star Wars posters?

Confidence and drive is what I would have asked if theyn possess.....but......whatever.

**USA-1** · 23rd February 2011 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Rassales

Here's what I think: You believe that men need to be more like men, and that making them be more 'tulip-like' destroys their drive. I think the stronger claim is that the very things that make people successful in the new economy are the qualities we inculcate in women, and therefore women are the more successful in that new economy. Maybe the answer, then, isn't to decry the lack of manliness in the world, but to recognize that womanly qualities are, in fact, more necessary in a more advanced society. It's what separates us from the Muslims and the tribalists and all the other people who threaten us, after all.

Oh I agree with the strong woman theme as well, I've daughters and they seem to thrive on the you can do anything, sky is the limit theme. I am all for women on equal playing fields, I am all for women busting through fences rather than stretching them, I anticipate the first female President, I think that will be another great moment in American history.

But if you cannot look at the number of unwed mothers, children with no fathers, abortion rates, or anyone of the cultural nightmares from American men's failures in fulfilling their responsibilities, then I think you're playing a denial game and not arguing the facts. The degradation on society this article speaks to doesn't surprise me...we see it displayed time and time again. Many men afraid to tout achievements or resonsibilities today, many fear being labeled as angry american tries to do here. School...never one to believe that. Men have unique and important roles. Women cannot father children anymore than men can mother them. Men have a role, we have responsibilities.....and we're not living up to them. And it is generational, we've gone from the greatest generation....to I don't know what.

I keep raising the L&C expedition as an example......do we make studs like that any longer? Finding the Pacific ocean then as difficult as getting to the moon in 1969, the physical exertions alone were beyond imagination, these men had nothing.......and crossed a continent. Do we make men like that anymore here in America? I would like to think the answer is yes.

**USA-1** · 23rd February 2011 11:42 AM

I have also heard that liberalism acts like a male skin peeler, almost acts to.....circumcize.....the average American Male. Makes him lose a little of his confidence.......can even lead to his testicles in a jar on the mantle for guests to enjoy.

Is that true?