Thread: US Republicans Want a Single Party State and Elimination of the Universal Franchise

US Republicans Want a Single Party State and Elimination of the Universal Franchise

Originally Posted by chuck_schmidt

People keep arguing that America is not headed for being another fascist state if conservatives get in because they don't see enough in common with America today and Germany in WW2. They don't see death camps is usually the biggest argument. They forget one thing: Hitler had to sneak it in before he went whole hog and so will US controllers. Nobody said that 21st Century US fascism has to look like 20th Century German fascism up front. They want the same game, they don't want the same name.

Originally Posted by Winn

I don't think Republican politicians are fascists. They just want to use the government to benefit themselves. Mostly in the area of profits.

From http://www.politicsforum.com/immigra...tml#post123710

The wording of your reply has twisted my position to mean 'all' Republican politicians. I did not say that nor did I mean it. Nor for a moment do I believe that all persons who voted for 1933 German National Socialists were hardcore Nazis. Nonetheless your comment does not factually or ideologically detract in the least from my central point.

I argue that further conservative rule in America (which in practice means Republican rule) will lead directly to an overtly 21st Century American fascist state unless US conservatism changes dramatically. It will not at first resemble 20th Century fascism to the person who looks only for incontrovertible and dramatic evidence. Germany did not see dedicated "death" camps until late in the war when control was absolute. Death camps were a last-stage manifestation in the crisis of the largest and most complex war in world history.

Many of the signs of right-wing extremism are there in America today. Some are even present under Democrats - the basic militarism which is one of the strongest elements of fascism is strong under both parties. The crucial difference is that Democrats seem to believe more strongly in civil control over the military. Republicans tend more to governance through the military, primarily through the MI Complex controlling so much of the economy.

Look at the way the evidence is building:

Leadership:

- When Hitler first took over, the official German CEO was President Hindenburg. Hitler pressured Hindenburg through his son Oskar von Hindenburg (Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and took over as both Chancellor and President.

- Under US Republicans there was Reagan from 1980-1988, a movie actor suffering from terminal Alzheimer’s playing his last and greatest roll. He was incapable of personally managing the presidency, which was managed by a behind-the-scenes secret cabal ("cabal" defined - Cabal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). The next Republican leader was Bush 1, former head of the CIA. After that came dubya, at least as much of a managed man as Reagan. dubya publicly spoke of how much easier his job would be if he had absolute power, his regime fired lower level government workers for their personal politics, stifled public protest by establishing police-enforced “protest zones” distant from events at which he appeared and instigated a huge and intrusive body of government spying on individuals.

Political emphasis:

- Hitler referred to liberal democratic forms of government as enemies of the Reich.

- Republicans have reduced the word “liberal” in American politics to mean something dirty and un-American.

Militarism:

- Fascism is a militaristic state model.

- America is the most militaristic western democracy.

Racism:

- Hitler used Jews as his scapegoats in a racially prejudiced hate campaign.

- Republicans use Hispanics.

Eliminating the universal franchise:

- Fascism disenfranchised many in Germany.

- Conservatives in America can constantly be read online calling for disenfranchisement of the poor, multiple votes for the wealthy and the attaching of property qualifications to the right to vote.


You will never see an exact repeat of the 1930’s in the early 21st Century. People, even the uneducated, are still far too conscious of those days. 21st Century fascism will not come calling in the identical trappings as 20th Century fascism. But there can be no doubt - US conservatives have started calling for elimination of the universal vote and single party rule. Such a suggestion would not have been made publicly before Reagan. They are becoming more certain of possible success and more brazen in their demands. Only for the period of the "designated emergency", of course, just like Germany.

Of course the RWNJ's are going to try to smoke you but still I think you make a good argument. You did leave out one thing, wealth. By concentrating most of the wealth at the top, eliminating the middle class extreme actions to control the "work force" will be necessary. I am curious how they will deal with elections, i.e. control them or eliminate them. Yeah, when I see the idiot direction the right is forcing the country and how easily manipulated most Americans are, I'm pretty pessimestic about this experiment we've called the United States.

Republicans aren't fascists. There is no conspiracy, which is what you're claiming here, to take control of the US and turn it into a private, fascist playground for Republicans.

Don't mistake greedy, privileged, egotistical white guys for fascists. And I'm not talking about the people that vote for republicans, I'm talking about the politicians.

Originally Posted by Winn

Republicans aren't fascists. There is no conspiracy, which is what you're claiming here, to take control of the US and turn it into a private, fascist playground for Republicans.

Don't mistake greedy, privileged, egotistical white guys for fascists. And I'm not talking about the people that vote for republicans, I'm talking about the politicians.

Greed is manipulating ideology and I'm afraid CS quite likely is right.

Originally Posted by henryporter

Greed is manipulating ideology and I'm afraid CS quite likely is right.

If CS is right then the GOP supporters are right when they call Obama a Kenyan born, Muslim, terrorist, Communist.

See what I mean?

Originally Posted by Winn

Republicans aren't fascists. There is no conspiracy, which is what you're claiming here, to take control of the US and turn it into a private, fascist playground for Republicans.

Don't mistake greedy, privileged, egotistical white guys for fascists. And I'm not talking about the people that vote for republicans, I'm talking about the politicians.

With respect, you are posting the Big Lie foretold by George Orwell. Only you know if you believe it and campaign for it.

Originally Posted by Winn

If CS is right then the GOP supporters are right when they call Obama a Kenyan born, Muslim, terrorist, Communist.

The extremist emerges. Wasn't too difficult to draw out, was it?

Originally Posted by Seraphima

As long as you have a two-party system you'll continue to see polarization among the people. Today there is the Tea Party and in several years, who knows, you could see some extreme left-wing version. Someone needs to come up with a respectable alternative to the Democrats and Republicans; they've run their course and now are pretty useless at doing anything but dividing the country.

It kind of reminds me of the time my brother put tape down the centre of the living room and told me the side without the door was mine. Backed into a corner, I tried to beat the living snot out of him. That's how the current political atmosphere in the US strikes me. People are going to get extreme when it's one side against the other. Someone needs to put forth an idea for a third party and get enough backing to push it forward and be successful. There are enough level-headed people to overcome the crap you're seeing from the extremists.

Do I think if the Republicans make a come-back that the US is headed towards becoming increasingly Fascist? Not really; as many bat shit crazy Republicans as there are, there are plenty of moderates who would rather see the US up in flames than become the next Third Reich. It goes against what the US ultimately stands for.

Hitler went against what Germans thought they stood for too. The same way Brian Mulrooney did not stand for Canadians and dubya did not stand for the average American, that is just the way it happens.