Fort Hood Killer Requests Immunity From Death Penalty - Can You Believe It ?

27th May 2011 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Lion

And there you go, your halfway to understanding. I will spare you my list of names that were proven innocent by DNA either before, or unfortunately in some cases, after they were executed. Since you already understand the trepidation, I don't need to post the list to prove my point. However, the reason why I do not believe the death penalty should be used at all is because not every case is "airtight" like Hasan's. You cannot pick and choose which cases to use it on, because as long as the DP is an option it will be used and and abused. Therefore, it should be abolished completely.

Moreover, murder is wrong because no one has the authority to determine if someone else lives or dies. When we execute, that is precisely what we are doing. Therefore, execution is murder. It doesn't matter if the person "deserves" it, we are still putting a human being to death. In doing so, we bring ourselves down to the very barbarism we are "punishing".

Besides, I have been in jail. The death penalty is not a punishment, it's a release. Knowing what I now know about jail, I would prefer the death penalty over life imprisonment. Which is another reason why I am against the death penalty. Death is a release from suffering, and people who kill innocents deserve to suffer.

You completely overlook the fact that life imprisoned killers can still continue to kill. Do you know what the word PROTECT means ? That's why prisons exist. For robbers, arsonists, con jobbers, etc., prison can protect the public. That's not the case for killers. Killers, in prison, can (and do) kill other inmates, kill prison guards, and can kill (by command) people outside the prison as well. Al Capone is thought to have killed hundreds of people AFTER he was imprisoned. Get it ?

27th May 2011 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mister D

No, individuals relied on religion to get them through a rough time. If that's what you mean then we agree.

The resolve to stick it out and win, tubig.

No, the communists refused to be satisfied with half a country hence your "civil war". Now I'm not defending American involvement although we won the Cold War partly because of our stand in Vietnam. I'm just offering some perspective on what appears to be an apology for Vietnamese communism.

As much as I agree with you generally Mister D, I have to side with tubig on this one. All the talk about communism in Vietnam was a ploy to win sympathy for the war effort. Ho Chi Minh may have had socialist sympathies, but he was no Communist. He was a Nationalist, and Nationalism and Communism (an INTERnationalist ideology) are diametrically opposite to one another.

27th May 2011 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Lion

Fuck it, here's the whole list. Remember, these are all people who were set to be killed in state sanctioned "executions" and were later found innocent. Had they been put to death, we would have killed innocent people. This killing of innocents is murder, no matter who's doing it and no matter the reason.

Man, that's a lot of innocent people huh? And remember also that most of these people had family or private funds to hire private investigators. Many indigent prisoners do not have the means of doing that, so this list should probably be a lot longer. Sadly we'll never know the true number of innocent people killed by the death penalty. Their blood is on our hands, how do you feel about that?

List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was well aware of this list and the Innocence Project, and the lawyer who started it who was one of the lawyers in the OJ Simpson trial. None of that is relevant to this thread. The only people who should ever get the death penalty are those whose guilt is definite. Would you say with a video of the crime being committed, the killer might be innocent ?

27th May 2011 12:27 AM

"You are not Islamic and you don't know how their minds work, yet you seem to insist that they are not as human as you? I don't think they are, apart from the cultural differences. They are still human beings, and they have been hurt in their homelands by western interference for over a century so far. Americans, with their all-consuming focus on self, would have revolted half a century ago or even sooner."

You think someone has to be Islamic to know how their minds work ? What nonsense. I hear, all the time, people saying "Oh, you don't understand them". Yes we do. All you have to do to understand them is question the violent jihadists who are caught and arrested. They all have the same thing to say.
Jihad - holy war - the Koran - Islam.

All one needs to do to know how their minds work is read the Koran. As for western interference, just like the Crusades, Muslims have been bringing western "interference" upon themselves for 1400 years, by their insistence in carrying out the legacy of Mohammed - CONQUEST. If they'd have stayed where they were (on the Arabian peninsula) and not gone out conquering half of Europe, North Africa, and most of Asia Minor, nobody would have ever paid any attention to them. Still today, they insist on carrying out a jihad to establish a world wide caliphate.

**Gypsy** · 27th May 2011 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Lion

Fuck it, here's the whole list. Remember, these are all people who were set to be killed in state sanctioned "executions" and were later found innocent. Had they been put to death, we would have killed innocent people. This killing of innocents is murder, no matter who's doing it and no matter the reason.

Man, that's a lot of innocent people huh? And remember also that most of these people had family or private funds to hire private investigators. Many indigent prisoners do not have the means of doing that, so this list should probably be a lot longer. Sadly we'll never know the true number of innocent people killed by the death penalty. Their blood is on our hands, how do you feel about that?

List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I just looked at the list. Where are the names of the innocents who were executed?

27th May 2011 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Gypsy

I just looked at the list. Where are the names of the innocents who were executed?

He said they were found innocent, and not executed.

**Gypsy** · 27th May 2011 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by protectionist

He said they were found innocent, and not executed.

He/she also said this:

I will spare you my list of names that were proven innocent by DNA either before, or unfortunately in some cases, after they were executed.

**tubig** · 1st June 2011 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mister D

I actually think they have some responsibility for their own lives.

That sense of individual responsibility can be thrown into some confusion when Tiger Force just left your village with the communiy's wives and childrens' ears hanging from their necks.

Yeah, who cares about morale during a war. lol ????

Most of the west still does. Not America.