Thread: Obama's Big Mistake

[quote name='Goldwater' date='03 April 2010 - 12:00 PM' timestamp='1270310432' post='136080']

What makes you think Rush getting the GOP base all stirred will surprise Obama? The GOP base will without exception vote Republican in 2012. What do you think...the GOP voters will vote harder and curse a bit? Rush doesn't change the amount of Republican votes for the GOP at all, he just keeps the base enraged. That way they can't resort to reason, objectivity, or compassion. After all, you say it yourself...Rush sets the mood for the base. And that 38% of the population is a done deal every election. Furthermore...how can you say Rush is successful in his electioneering efforts at this time when none of the GOP poll better than Obama right now?

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The reason Obama won the Presidency (a reason), was that Republicans did not like the moderate/centrist candidacy of Senator John McCain. Unlike the stark contrast between President Bush and Senator Kerry, McCain does not excite hardly any faction within the Republican establishment. Obama has angered nearly every faction of the Republican Establishment, unified them, brought in Independents and Libertarians, Constitutionalists, and limited-government moderates into a powerful opposition. The Democrats have recognized this and are not backing down. They believe that their chance is now, that now is the time to push their agenda through the Congress and into law before the American People throw them out.



By attacking Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck and these cultural leaders within the "Conservative" movement, they are further unifying the force against them. It is not that a Glen Beck listener might have voted for Obama, but they might have voted for the Constitutionalist candidate. It's not that I would ever vote for Obama, but I might vote Libertarian. It's not like your average Limbaugh listener is going to vote Obama, but they might just decide to take a vacation in Fiji for the month of November. Instead, we'll all be voting Republican, because our desire is to defeat the Democrats.



The Republican Party is a DISASTER. That the GOP is even competitive with the New Left is astounding. Not only did the Republican Party infuriate liberal insiders by pushing them out of the political process for six years, they flipped the bird to their own constituents, broke most of the promises they made during their own elections, and governed _____________ly (I need a word that is negative enough). But they weren't worse than Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. The Nation wasn't peachy in 2006, but it sure was a hell of a lot better than what the Democrats have given us over the last three years. And the big pictures aren't getting better.



So Obama is going to attack Talk Radio, which draws attention and listeners to talk radio, where all they are talking about 24/7 is defeating the Liberals in 2010 and 2012. Is that really the message Obama wants undecided people to listen to? Really? It's a stupid mistake.





[quote name='Goldwater' date='03 April 2010 - 12:00 PM' timestamp='1270310432' post='136080']

An educated man like yourself is capable of posting much better than this...you have not offered credible evidence of how the "majority of Americans KNOW that President Obama doesn't want what is best for the country". Obama is not a Marxist and has never endorsed that ideological philosophy. Neither you nor Glenn Beck has proven that he is even a socialist. Obama's numbers have have not declined more than 10 points since August of 2009, and you have not supported your hasty conclusion that Obama's numbers have dropped because "Americans KNOW" that he is a Marxist.

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1. It is obvious to me and nearly everyone I know, Democrat and Republican alike, that Obama doesn't give a crap about this country or its citizens. Of course, I live in North Carolina and things are brutal here. Maybe everything seems better in other states.



2. Most non-liberals have known that he was a Marxist before the election, but now more and more people are talking about. I don't know if you're a CSPAN guy, but when people call in and talk about the issues, more and more people are frustrated by the "seemingly Socialist demeanor" of the Obama Administration - like it's a shock. Obama's policies only benefit a tiny group of political elites and the poor souls ignorant enough to sell their votes for underwhelming levels of social services.



The President appears histrionic. He's bringing all of the wrong kinds of attention to himself and he's shoveling ammunition to his opposition. There will be no spirit of peace or cooperation while President Obama occupies the White House. Period. Congress will be tense and contentious, every step on the way to the next two elections. The divisions between the American People are now utterly entrenched.



By all means, if you think any of this is good for the Democrats or the Country, please explain.

[quote name='Goldwater' date='03 April 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1270313467' post='136101']

But the numbers don't reflect that right now. So it's really just your hope, and a guess, at this point. It doesn't matter how united anti Obama forces are, if the GOP doesn't have a candidate with higher approval numbers, the GOP...which is the only viable competition for the Democrats...will most likely lose.



However, I will hand you this...if the right unites and votes out Obama, no matter who is running against him, it wouldn't be the first time that an American election is decided based on who more people vote "against" than who they vote for.

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That doesn't make a difference. There is only one leader of the Democrat Party, and that is President Obama. There are two handfuls of Republicans that could lead the party, and who knows who will win? With regard to the congress, the polls reflect exactly what I'm saying. The Republicans are running neck and neck or ahead of enough Democrats to win back the House and even possibly win the Senate. I mean, I know you hope that doesn't happen, but as it stands now, that's where we are. Again, the GOP can screw this all to hell.



[quote name='Goldwater' date='03 April 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1270313467' post='136101']

I certainly hope you're not under the impression that Obama's discrediting the concerns of Limbaugh/Beck/GOP is the reason that divisions in America are untterly entrenched. Try to answer this question...besides doing everything that the right thinks he should do...how could Obama have avoid entrenched divisions? You have cause and effect mixed up. Our nation is going through a difficult time and the sense of urgency and desperation both the right and the left are simply inflamed. Obama hasn't perpetrated any kind of exceptional disacknowlegement of the right...it's the same amount of disacknowlegemnt every President gives the losers of an election. It's just that people are scared, so they're madder.

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I don't think you understand how people who are viewed as "the problem" feel about President Obama. Why is Rush Limbaugh so popular? He is popular because he distributes information to a certain audience in a way that is informative and entertaining to them. The ideas that Rush Limbaugh talks about aren't merely his own property. They reflect the general philosophy and understanding of his listeners. What makes him so good is that he doesn't stray from this on the air. He doesn't talk about issues where his listening audience is divided (i.e. Social Issues). He almost never talks about Social issues and when he does he is quick to move on. Why? Because his audience is divided on those issues.



So when Obama goes after Limbaugh, he is going after Limbaugh's 15 million listeners. When they go after the Tea Party protesters, they don't just make enemies of the people protesting their government, but of the millions of people that sympathize with them as well. This is an extremely aggressive Administration that has made it clear that they view everyone that disagrees with them as a national security threat. Fuck them, then. I vote to throw these narcissistic pricks out of office.

[quote name='Blueneck' date='03 April 2010 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1270314482' post='136108']

Wouldn't Limbaugh be the tar baby?



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Ugh - No.

[quote name='Goldwater' date='03 April 2010 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1270317151' post='136126']

We agree!





Au contraire mon frere...if something happens between now and then to causes me to dissaprove of Obama's overall performance, and another candidate shows up with what appears to me to have a better plan...even if it's a Republican, or Libertarian...I'll vote against Obama. The only thing I won't budge on is voting for anybody who thinks religious views have a place in public legislation.





There must be more to Rush Limbaugh's popularity than just the resons you've stated above even with the social issues avoidance, otherwise, Jon Stewart would have 15 million viewers too.



Think about this, there are appx 50 million registered Republicans in the US. So I'll guess that 1 in 3 Republicans listen to Rush regularly. I'm going to speculate...since the Tea Party is 74% Republican, roughly 1 in 4 Tea partiers are Rush listeners. So the majority of Republicans probably don't listen to Rush. My suspicion is that most Republicans, and Democrats, are swayed by there surroundings, or five word slogans, or campaign ads, or one hot button issue when they vote AT election time. Or they just vote Republican or Democrat because they are one. You overestimate Rush's influence. Rush and the GOP embrace all criticism from Obama like an attention starved child because they hope it will help them actually become a decisive influence. Fox News, especially Bill O'Reilly do the exact same thing. Thinking that Rush is influential is a GOP/Tea Party tool to help disenfranchised righties think they actualy still have some kind of power and clout after losing an election.

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What do you think Limbaugh's secret is, that no one besides Hannity has been able to come close to his numbers? Why do you think the Government goes after Limbaugh, if not for his influence? Of course, in this case, the influence Limbaugh offers is a focal point for liberal rage, which is what will backfire. Americans are beginning to understand the kind of disdain their government has for them.

[quote name='Goldwater' date='03 April 2010 - 03:52 PM' timestamp='1270324337' post='136151']

Rush's listeners are not on the fence, they will think that Obama has disdain for them no matter what Rush uses as the reason why they should. This is the big myth of the Tea Party...righties want Americans to believe that something unparalleled and without precident is happening. The only thing that is happening is that the right lost big in 2008 and instead of facing the fact that the duely elected executive and congressional branches of government are voting differently than they think they should...they are laying the Lee Atwater tactic of "the other party will kill you" on pretty thick. And righties cannot resist. And that is what Rush does.[/quote]e

......and you know this how exactly? Based on his growing audience, it seems reasonable to deduce that there are a rather large number of people that have not sworn an allegiance to either party and wish to consider an opposing view. It stands to reason that Obama's declining approval ratings are not simply the result of staunch leftists abandoning the collective. I would think it's rather more then that considering that most true political drones would follow their party off a cliff.