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  1. 21st March 2011 09:07 AM #1
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    West in "mediaeval crusade" on Gaddafi, Putin says

    West in "mediaeval crusade" on Gaddafi, Putin says

    Bombing Libyan territory could mean large-scale conflict: Russia

    The deal closer is "leading" this nation to an all out global war, and from the ashes, for those who survive will come a global fascist dictatorship, not unlike the EU.
    Because Banning Propaganda “Ties the Hands of America’s Diplomatic Officials, Military, and Others by Inhibiting Our Ability to Effectively Communicate In a Credible Way”

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    China intensifies condemnation of Libya air strikes

    The world has had enough....
    Because Banning Propaganda “Ties the Hands of America’s Diplomatic Officials, Military, and Others by Inhibiting Our Ability to Effectively Communicate In a Credible Way”

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    But Russia did not vote against it, nor did China. So how opposed can they really be if they didn't bother to vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    But Russia did not vote against it, nor did China. So how opposed can they really be if they didn't bother to vote?
    Some argue that an abstention is a no vote, I do.
    Because Banning Propaganda “Ties the Hands of America’s Diplomatic Officials, Military, and Others by Inhibiting Our Ability to Effectively Communicate In a Credible Way”

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    Some argue that an abstention is a no vote, I do.
    That's just a cop out. If they felt strongly that enforcing the no-fly zone was wrong they should have manned up and voted. They didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    But Russia did not vote against it, nor did China. So how opposed can they really be if they didn't bother to vote?
    Maybe not voting against it is their way of staying out of other's business. I can see how they do not vote against but also not agree with the decision. Either way it's not their business, just as it is none of ours. We decided to again inject ourselves in another sovereign nation's business. This is not about saving people or being humane, these people decided to rise up, we have no idea who we are backing.

    When the conflict is over, then what..? Do we accept the government the people want, or install another puppet, negating everything we are supposedly fighting for right now, Today..? Can't have it both ways..
    "Cowardice asks the question 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it
    Politic?' Vanity asks the question 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    Maybe not voting against it is their way of staying out of other's business. I can see how they do not vote against but also not agree with the decision. Either way it's not their business, just as it is none of ours. We decided to again inject ourselves in another sovereign nation's business. This is not about saving people or being humane, thse people decided to rise up, we have no idea who we are backing.

    When the conflict is over, then what..? Do we accept the government the people want, or install another puppet, negating everything we are supposedly fighting for right now, Today..? Can't have it both ways..
    We accept the government the people want. We are not fighting a war in Libya, we are helping to enforce a no-fly zone to help the people of Libya.
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    I think it demonstrates where the lines are drawn in the world. Notice how buddy, buddy the Russians and Chinese have been the last few years? My Question is will they support Iran, and will they stop accepting dollars all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    We accept the government the people want. We are not fighting a war in Libya, we are helping to enforce a no-fly zone to help the people of Libya.
    Today, but by getting involved we now must Control what happens afterward, because politically nobody will agree to be wrong on this decision. It's how all the other bullshit started in the ME. The people of Libya may be just as anti-American as the current dictator, I'm not sure we know who we are defending. Looks to me we are paying back our European allies/imperialists for their assistance in the ME..

    We owe favors, that is what I see on the news..
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    Politic?' Vanity asks the question 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    We accept the government the people want. We are not fighting a war in Libya, we are helping to enforce a no-fly zone to help the people of Libya.
    Uh,, Gypsy, bombing a sovereign nation is an act of war.
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