Thread: Is coerced euthanasia in the Obama plan?

"One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/...ses_179667.htm

So what do you think? Will a government plan that people are forced into start to coerce people to make the choice to end their lives? That will certainly save money!

It is not actually Obama's plan, but you bet.

yep ... cause that is what this new science czar.. Holdren I think is the name.. has said in a book he publish a few years ago.. he is all for cutting the population through different kinds of programs..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...tton-40981162/

Originally Posted by wingrider

yep ... cause that is what this new science czar.. Holdren I think is the name.. has said in a book he publish a few years ago.. he is all for cutting the population through different kinds of programs..

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But hey, it's just a conspiracy theory.......................

umm.. when a conspiracy becomes a fact... what is it called then..

oh yeah totaltarianism

Originally Posted by wingrider

yep ... cause that is what this new science czar.. Holdren I think is the name.. has said in a book he publish a few years ago.. he is all for cutting the population through different kinds of programs..

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More like a "science fiction czar".

Wish I could take credit for that but:
Science Fiction ‘Czar’

The life expectancy for nearly half of nursing home residents is 5.8 years. Which means ONE counseling session on "whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration" is simply no different than the consultation every seriously ill patient gets in every hospital concerning DNR. This Post article is completely melodramtic and baseless.

Statistics on Nursing Homes and theit Residents

The ultra right hyperpartisan NY Post states that..."This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues?"...Have you ever even been to a nursing home Lake? You want to talk about inviting abuse...nursing homes in thier most well run state are holding tanks for the dieing. So it appears that in the name of anti healthcare reform propaganda, you and the NY Post are fearmongering. I'll tell you what abuse is...coersing old people to cling to life when every day is pain and profound misery.

For cryin' out loud...don't you think seniors have to be informed about thier options? My father chose not to wither in that nursing home, and he didn't want to die in the hospital, so he came home and I helped him during the time he had. He died at home with his boots on, and he wouldn't have known about home hospice if the nursing home staff didn't SUGGEST it in a COUNSELING session.

I think you been watching too much TV if you think nursing home staff or government healthcare workers are gonna want to save bucks then go around trying to talk old people into ending it all. Sounds more like the makings of a Quentin Tarantino movie or a dark comedy...hey....maybe I should write a script!

"Nursing home inspection documents show that more than a quarter of American nursing homes were repeatedly cited for serious violations that caused death or injury to patients. In California, a third of the homes have been cited for causing serious harm or death to patients. In 1998, less than 2 percent of California nursing homes had no violations."

A CBS News analysis of the federal government's nursing home inspection database finds more than 1,000 homes were cited last year for hiring staff with a history of abuse.

Federal regulators admit, however, that the statistics conceal how bad things really are inside America's nursing home. State inspections are often unreliable, and most problems in nursing homes go unreported. That's especially true when it comes to cases of physical abuse.

"Elder abuse is fast becoming one of the greatest law enforcement challenges of the next century," said Paul Hodge who investigates crimes against the elderly.
Tracking Abuse In Nursing Homes - CBS News


Goldwater maybe you are watchn to much tv and not in reality enough.
But hey believe whatever you like.

You people want even more gov. intervention with lower pay for staff and then see how far care takes a plunge.

What a fucking joke, get in reality.

Originally Posted by lakeman

"One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/...ses_179667.htm

So what do you think? Will a government plan that people are forced into start to coerce people to make the choice to end their lives? That will certainly save money!

Having helped my mother admit my father to hospice care instead of "valiantly" radiating and chemoing for six months of misery and expense, I think Obama makes a lot of sense on this. And, ironically, it's the kind of thinking that libertarians engage in when they support end-of-life issues.

Again, if the right-wing LEGISLATORS would just do their jobs as statesmen, they might get a bill they like and can take credit for.

Seems like they'll be needing some positive evidence of their "service" in the mid-terms, anyway.

I'm sorry Goldwater that article was from 2001 I'm sure things have improved since then.

Sorry not really.
Nursing Home Abuse Statistics

Here are some highlights
• One study found that 44 percent of nursing home residents have suffered some form of abuse. 48 percent reported having been treated or handled roughly. 38 percent reported having witnessed the abuse of others.
• Roughly 30 percent of long-term care staff had witnessed some form of physical abuse of a patient in the previous year. 81 percent report having seen some form of verbal, physical, or other form of abuse over this same time period. 40 percent admit to committing such acts at least once over the previous year.

• 85 percent of nursing home staff blames staffing shortages for the cause of abuse.

So if gov. steps in and nurses and staff get paid even less, what incentive will their be for people to pursue these careers?