Thread: Today we’re all prisoners in the USA

Today we’re all prisoners in the USA

As of today, June 1, 2009, even U.S. citizens are officially prisoners in the USA, or exiles barred from entering our own country without the government’s permission.
We are now forbidden by Federal regulations from leaving or entering the USA, anywhere, by any means — by air, by sea, or by land, to or from any other country or international waters or airspace — unless the government chooses to issue us a passport, passport card, or “enhanced” drivers license (any of which “travel documents” are now issued only with secretly and remotely-readable uniquely-numbered radio tracking beacons in the form of RFID transponder chips), or unless the Department of Homeland Security chooses to to exercise its standardless “discretion” to decide — in secret, with no way for us to know who is making the decision or on what basis — to issue a (one-time case-by-case) “waiver” of the new travel document requirements.
If you’re in the USA without such documents — even if you were born here, or are a foreigner who entered the USA legally without such documents (a Canadian, for example, who entered the USA by land yesterday when no such documents were yet required), or your document(s) have expired or have been lost or stolen — you are forbidden to leave the country unless and until you procure such a document, or unless and until the DHS gives you an exit permit in the form of a discretionary one-time waiver to leave the country — but not necessarily to come home, unless they again exercise their discretion to “grant” you another waiver.
If you are a U.S. citizen abroad without such a document (for example, if you entered Canada legally without it yesterday by land, when it wasn’t required, or again if your document(s) are expired, lost, or stolen) you are forbidden to come home unless and until you can procure a new document acceptable to the DHS, or unless and until the DHS gives you permission to come home in the form of a discretionary one-time waiver

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Comment: Your papers please

Try to leave with 10K you get arrested, try to expatriate yourself, give the government up to 80% of YOUR assets.

Whine, whine... "Open the borders!" "Close the borders!" "More border security!" "Less border security!"

Make up your goddamned minds, people...

Originally Posted by Djinn

Whine, whine... "Open the borders!" "Close the borders!" "More border security!" "Less border security!"

Make up your goddamned minds, people...

I am all for border security, but this is tracking, pure and simple. Explain this bright guy, why should I give 80% of what is mine if I decide to expatriate my self, why cant I travel with 11k???

Originally Posted by michaelr

I am all for border security, but this is tracking, pure and simple. Explain this bright guy, why should I give 80% of what is mine if I decide to expatriate my self, why cant I travel with 11k???

Because there is no good reason to be carrying that much U.S. currency to a foreign country. And in the unlikely event you can come up with a plausible scenario, I'm sure you can make special arrangements in advance.

Originally Posted by Djinn

Because there is no good reason to be carrying that much U.S. currency to a foreign country.

Who the hell are you to say what I can or can't carry? You did not answer my second question.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Who the hell are you to say what I can or can't carry? You did not answer my second question.

The U.S. borders have always been under the control of the U.S. Same goes for any other country. Can you give me any scenario in which a person would need to carry over $10,000 in U.S. currency across international borders?

Christ... The Feds could pass a law prohibiting people from entering the U.S. if they have more than three bananas stuffed down the front of their pants, and you'd probably throw a similar fit. "How DARE they try to limit the number of bananas I can stuff down my pants while traveling internationally!"

My take: Who cares? There is no good reason to transport such large amounts of U.S. currency. There is no good reason to stuff more than three bananas down the front of your pants. IMO, two is plenty.

Originally Posted by Djinn

The U.S. borders have always been under the control of the U.S. Same goes for any other country. Can you give me any scenario in which a person would need to carry over $10,000 in U.S. currency across international borders?

Christ... The Feds could pass a law prohibiting people from entering the U.S. if they have more than three bananas stuffed down the front of their pants, and you'd probably throw a similar fit. "How DARE they try to limit the number of bananas I can stuff down my pants while traveling internationally!"

My take: Who cares? There is no good reason to transport such large amounts of U.S. currency. There is no good reason to stuff more than three bananas down the front of your pants. IMO, two is plenty.

Your funny and transparent as all get out. My credit card is good for 250K, can I travel with that, yes. Know why?? TB I am going to tell you, because of two reasons, the first, everything is traced, the second, the banks say so. That is guilty before shit, and that is wrong. You people make me sick. Hey bright guy, when bankers travel, how much are these criminals allowed to carry? Do you think for one second that they follow the same rules, or are they better than us?

Originally Posted by michaelr

... Hey bright guy, when bankers travel, how much are these criminals allowed to carry? Do you think for one second that they follow the same rules, or are they better than us?

I'm sure that bankers make special arrangements, and they're not stuffing wads of cash into their carry-on luggage.

So why would you want to take over $10,000 in U.S. currency out of the country?

Originally Posted by Djinn

I'm sure that bankers make special arrangements, and they're not stuffing wads of cash into their carry-on luggage.

So why would you want to take over $10,000 in U.S. currency out of the country?

Really, well you might be right, I dunno, but you insinuate that they are above us all.

I take 10k to the Grand Canyon for Christ sakes. Why not to Mexico??? BTW I do it anyway, but I like driving.