Thread: only one day left!!!

One day, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and counting.....

I hope to see this picture plastered on the front page of every major newspaper in the nation, coming shortly to a newsstand near you:

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

One day, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and counting.....

I hope to see this picture plastered on the front page of every major newspaper in the nation, coming shortly to a newsstand near you:

LOL, one photoshoped picture I can never grow tired of. Thanks for posting it.

Mukasey agress, prosecutions for torture now hard to avoid.

“WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Michael Mukasey raised concerns that government agents and national security lawyers may be at risk for criminal prosecution after his likely successor, Eric Holder, declared that waterboarding of terror detainees is torture.�

“The 67-year-old former federal judge in New York, who took office 14 months ago, said in an interview that the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama faces a ‘conundrum’ as it tries to shut down the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.�

“Word that Mr. Obama plans to issue an executive order to close the prison has caused worry among Justice Department lawyers who fear evidence backing the cases against many of the approximately 250 detainees wouldn’t hold up in a conventional court proceeding.�

“Mr. Holder made the torture comment at his confirmation hearing Thursday when asked about the technique, which induces the sensation of drowning and was used by Central Intelligence Agency interrogators on at least three detainees.�

“The Holder response was in contrast to that of Mr. Mukasey, who declined when asked the same question at his confirmation hearing in 2007. The Justice Department’s office of legal counsel issued legal opinions, later rescinded, that backed the legality of harsh interrogation techniques such as waterboarding. The CIA has said the method hasn’t been used since 2003, but President George W. Bush has opposed congressional efforts to explicitly ban the CIA from ever using it again.�

Mukasey Cites Risk in Using Term 'Torture' - WSJ.com

its not good precedent for one administration to have criminal proceedings against a previous administration.
Remember, half the reason why democracy is good is because there is a peaceful change in power. Start down this road, who knows where you'll end up.
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Besides, you shouldn't prosecute lower level officials who engaged in acts of torture, because obviously it involved the higher ups. And, you can't really go after the higher ups, because there is nothing in the law that says torture is illegal, and if Obama puts something in the law to that effect, it will be EX POST FACTO. Another unconstitutional prosecution.

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

One day, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and counting.....

I hope to see this picture plastered on the front page of every major newspaper in the nation, coming shortly to a newsstand near you:

Right idea, wrong jurisdiction. Fps (the officers in the picture are from that element of ICE) wouldn't arrest Mr. Bush. That job would fall to the the US Marshals, the FBI, or the US Capitol Police.

Originally Posted by The_Bear

its not good precedent for one administration to have criminal proceedings against a previous administration.
Remember, half the reason why democracy is good is because there is a peaceful change in power. Start down this road, who knows where you'll end up.
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Besides, you shouldn't prosecute lower level officials who engaged in acts of torture, because obviously it involved the higher ups. And, you can't really go after the higher ups, because there is nothing in the law that says torture is illegal, and if Obama puts something in the law to that effect, it will be EX POST FACTO. Another unconstitutional prosecution.

No, what he will be doing is reversing an INTERPRETATION of the law. Torture is illegal according to US law- so the Gonzales DOJ attempted to define waterboarding as "not torture." That tortured interpretation of the law deserves to be reversed.

Originally Posted by johnlocke

No, what he will be doing is reversing an INTERPRETATION of the law. Torture is illegal according to US law- so the Gonzales DOJ attempted to define waterboarding as "not torture." That tortured interpretation of the law deserves to be reversed.

what part of US law?
I still don't think its good precedent to prosecute previous administration members.

I guarantee you, that if something big happens during the Obama presidency, and he something is needed to be done that could be questionable, he will authorize things that are not totally legal or totally moral, contrary to his rhetoric.

Originally Posted by The_Bear

what part of US law?
I still don't think its good precedent to prosecute previous administration members.

No offense Bear, but you must be smoking some good shit today.
Accountability means everything.
It's the only way to keep things legit, it's all part of our system of checks & balances (which seems to have fell off the wayside the last 50 years).

Originally Posted by johnlocke

No, what he will be doing is reversing an INTERPRETATION of the law. Torture is illegal according to US law- so the Gonzales DOJ attempted to define waterboarding as "not torture." That tortured interpretation of the law deserves to be reversed.

That's the "MO" of the Bush regime....torture the English language to turn a crime into something else.

Torture = Enhanced Interrogation

By that thinking, how about these:

Bank Robbery = Non-standard Withdrawal

Murder = Population Pruning

Kidnapping = Rendition

Treason = Shock & Awe

Originally Posted by The_Bear

what part of US law?
I still don't think its good precedent to prosecute previous administration members.

Then revoke all presidential pardons.