Thread: Obama Unlikely To Seek Torture Charges

Obama Unlikely To Seek Torture Charges

Too hell with accountability and law and order. I am getting to the point where these people who committed torture can be rounded up within our country by a rendition squad set up be the Hague and tried as war criminals. I mean of all the things that have been done in the name of this administration, this is one of the worse, and Obama will do nothing to set the record straight and tell the world that torture is intolerable and punishable.

Welcome to national politics! :laughing:

Frankly, Michael, I'm more interested in the truth, than in seeing Bushie strung up by the b*lls. Even though, I'd really like to get my hands on that clown....

But um... there's more than one way to do this, and, now, as you say, we're in the realm of international perceptions, yes?

So, we could have Obama's justice department go after Bushie, but that makes the whole thing very "political" - almost "personal" - that's one sitting President going after the guy who just left office. That creates very strange perceptions among the political leadership in, say, Europe....

On the other hand, if it's done through a Congressional investigation, then, it's a whole different story. Then it comes from the "bottom up", from the People. And THAT, is sellable. And not only that, it leaves our sitting President untainted in the eyes of the rest of the world's leaders. And, he gets to say both "we brought him do justice" AND "I had nothing to do with it, the People did it". So, he wins too - everyone wins this way - except for Bushie of course - and even THAT, may work out to his advantage, because THEN, he still eligible for some kinda Presidential pardon, whereas the other way, it would be even LESS seemly, for the same guy to pardon him, as went after him in the first place.

So, I think, this thing has to start from the bottom. If the People want it bad enough, it'll happen. So, you know, start writing letters to your Congress-people, 'cause it just has to stay on their radar screens if We want it done.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Obama Unlikely To Seek Torture Charges

Too hell with accountability and law and order. I am getting to the point where these people who committed torture can be rounded up within our country by a rendition squad set up be the Hague and tried as war criminals. I mean of all the things that have been done in the name of this administration, this is one of the worse, and Obama will do nothing to set the record straight and tell the world that torture is intolerable and punishable.

Unfortunately, it seems that those who committed it got a free pass from the President.

Originally Posted by Think for myself

Unfortunately, it seems that those who committed it got a free pass from the President.

Both present and future.

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Welcome to national politics! :laughing:

Frankly, Michael, I'm more interested in the truth, than in seeing Bushie strung up by the b*lls. Even though, I'd really like to get my hands on that clown....

But um... there's more than one way to do this, and, now, as you say, we're in the realm of international perceptions, yes?

So, we could have Obama's justice department go after Bushie, but that makes the whole thing very "political" - almost "personal" - that's one sitting President going after the guy who just left office. That creates very strange perceptions among the political leadership in, say, Europe....

On the other hand, if it's done through a Congressional investigation, then, it's a whole different story. Then it comes from the "bottom up", from the People. And THAT, is sellable. And not only that, it leaves our sitting President untainted in the eyes of the rest of the world's leaders. And, he gets to say both "we brought him do justice" AND "I had nothing to do with it, the People did it". So, he wins too - everyone wins this way - except for Bushie of course - and even THAT, may work out to his advantage, because THEN, he still eligible for some kinda Presidential pardon, whereas the other way, it would be even LESS seemly, for the same guy to pardon him, as went after him in the first place.

So, I think, this thing has to start from the bottom. If the People want it bad enough, it'll happen. So, you know, start writing letters to your Congress-people, 'cause it just has to stay on their radar screens if We want it done.

I am going to start writing my congress critters, and yours, and yours, and all of them. But remember I did this before the Iraq disaster, it got me nowhere, hell I did it before the bailouts, see where that got us?

It just keeps adding up- Obama, thus far, is not indicating any change other than who will be president. He has selected Clinton Admin. figures for his cabinet, he's keeping the Reagan missle defense going, he's supporting the bailouts (every one of them), he's not going to hold anyone accountable for the torture camps the Bush Admin set up, and he's not even in office yet.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Obama Unlikely To Seek Torture Charges

Too hell with accountability and law and order. I am getting to the point where these people who committed torture can be rounded up within our country by a rendition squad set up be the Hague and tried as war criminals. I mean of all the things that have been done in the name of this administration, this is one of the worse, and Obama will do nothing to set the record straight and tell the world that torture is intolerable and punishable.

So, have we figured out yet what he is going to do besides continuing down the path that the neocons have laid out for him?

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

It just keeps adding up- Obama, thus far, is not indicating any change other than who will be president. He has selected Clinton Admin. figures for his cabinet, he's keeping the Reagan missle defense going, he's supporting the bailouts (every one of them), he's not going to hold anyone accountable for the torture camps the Bush Admin set up, and he's not even in office yet.

And yet, according to you, he's managed to accomplish all of this without being in office. Seems a bit counter intuitive to believe everything that you hear when it's in direct contradiction to the lack of authority a president elect has.

This angers me, for sure.

My hope (and this is a bit optimistic, even for me) is that Obama is simply formulating a plan and not showing his hand yet. Of course, that's what I had hoped for when Pelosi took impeachment off the table, and we all know how that worked out.

Originally Posted by Think for myself

And yet, according to you, he's managed to accomplish all of this without being in office. Seems a bit counter intuitive to believe everything that you hear when it's in direct contradiction to the lack of authority a president elect has.

I will give credit to Obama if he changes the stances he is indicating right now. Torture is a big one. As far as the bailouts, his Senate record typifies him with the rest of the Congress, so that is fair game right now.

But I have to tell you, I'm not holding my breath.