Thread: Democrat Party Still At The Altar Of Union Masters

From 2000, through 2007 Ohio had lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and foreclosures were the ninth highest in the nation. Family income, adjusted for inflation had also declined.


Ohio, Michigan and Indiana have similar problems. These companies and jobs that are leaving, are not going overseas, they’re moving to other states, such as Texas.


The American Legislative Exchange Council ranks Ohio 47th out of 50 in economic competitiveness.


Ohio has a state income tax-the sixth highest personal income tax rate in the country, just under 9%. To make matters worse, Ohio’s corporation, pays the third highest in the nation at 10.5%.

A saying that has taken hold in the Buckeye state, declares:

"Ohio lays out the red carpet for companies - when they leave the state."

Texas, is a "right to work" state. Workers can make their own decision on whether or not to join a union.


Texas’ prodigious job growth, since 1997, has seen 1,615,000 added, compared to Ohio's loss of 10,400.


By December 2007 the unemployment rate in Ohio, was higher than the national average by 1%. In Texas unemployment was below the national average at 4.5%.


Exports from Texas have yielded $150 billion plus, over a decade, Ohio, 1/4 of that, in the amount of $37.8 billion.


Per-capita income growth has been 55% in Texas, 43% in Ohio.

Texas has gained 36,000 manufacturing jobs,compared to those 200,000 lost in Ohio.

Unions and in this case, wasteful government, present a clear case of the twin giants of special interest destruction.

None of this has deterred Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and all nanny-state talking heads from seeking more largesse for their masters to continue paying for those $73 an hour union jobs.


Now it is believed that the union thug bill, more misnamed than anything Lenin, Marx, Stalin, or George Orwell, could have thought of, i.e, the Employee Free Choice Act, (EFCA), where strong armed thuggery will take the place of secret ballot voting, is expected to be signed by Barack Obama, if the Dems send it to him.

those comparisions about job numbers lost or gained don't mean much unless you have a population level for each state.

Originally Posted by Camlow

From 2000, through 2007 Ohio had lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and foreclosures were the ninth highest in the nation. Family income, adjusted for inflation had also declined.


Ohio, Michigan and Indiana have similar problems. These companies and jobs that are leaving, are not going overseas, they’re moving to other states, such as Texas.


The American Legislative Exchange Council ranks Ohio 47th out of 50 in economic competitiveness.


Ohio has a state income tax-the sixth highest personal income tax rate in the country, just under 9%. To make matters worse, Ohio’s corporation, pays the third highest in the nation at 10.5%.

A saying that has taken hold in the Buckeye state, declares:

"Ohio lays out the red carpet for companies - when they leave the state."

Texas, is a "right to work" state. Workers can make their own decision on whether or not to join a union.


Texas’ prodigious job growth, since 1997, has seen 1,615,000 added, compared to Ohio's loss of 10,400.


By December 2007 the unemployment rate in Ohio, was higher than the national average by 1%. In Texas unemployment was below the national average at 4.5%.


Exports from Texas have yielded $150 billion plus, over a decade, Ohio, 1/4 of that, in the amount of $37.8 billion.


Per-capita income growth has been 55% in Texas, 43% in Ohio.

Texas has gained 36,000 manufacturing jobs,compared to those 200,000 lost in Ohio.

Unions and in this case, wasteful government, present a clear case of the twin giants of special interest destruction.

None of this has deterred Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and all nanny-state talking heads from seeking more largesse for their masters to continue paying for those $73 an hour union jobs.


Now it is believed that the union thug bill, more misnamed than anything Lenin, Marx, Stalin, or George Orwell, could have thought of, i.e, the Employee Free Choice Act, (EFCA), where strong armed thuggery will take the place of secret ballot voting, is expected to be signed by Barack Obama, if the Dems send it to him.

So it sounds to me that being a 3rd world country would be fine with you?

Originally Posted by steezer

So it sounds to me that being a 3rd world country would be fine with you?

Texas is a 3rd world country?

Originally Posted by Nerv14

those comparisions about job numbers lost or gained don't mean much unless you have a population level for each state.

No it doesn't he gave you the rates too.

We're importing jobs in the South because we are business friendly and the unions have been run out of town. The city I live in is expected to be the fastest growing economic center in the country for the next 5 years. We're the 4th most recession proof area in the country. And we're still building new MANUFACTURING plants everywhere you look.

Originally Posted by Stinger

No it doesn't he gave you the rates too.

We're importing jobs in the South because we are business friendly and the unions have been run out of town. The city I live in is expected to be the fastest growing economic center in the country for the next 5 years. We're the 4th most recession proof area in the country. And we're still building new MANUFACTURING plants everywhere you look.

no, that is why I said specifically the numbers about lost jobs. I know that the percents still do matter, and that bussiness friendly policies are good.

For my conservative (or libertarian) side, this is why we really need to reduce federal regulations and programs because even if I want programs and regulations in Jersey, Texas should be able to do what they want.

That way, people would see the true effects of less govenment intervention and we could keep the parts that work and throw away the ones that don't.

Originally Posted by steezer

So it sounds to me that being a 3rd world country would be fine with you?

Maybe, (but its an exageration) but it will increase their economic growth so everntualy they should catch up to the North.

Has anyone here had a union job. I belonged to the carpenters union, and the painters union. We busted ass. When I was contracting, and I did that for 20+ years, I hired union, it was well worth it. So here is what I say, if you only listen to the pundits and have no experience, shut your fucking mouth!

Originally Posted by michaelr

Has anyone here had a union job. I belonged to the carpenters union, and the painters union. We busted ass. When I was contracting, and I did that for 20+ years, I hired union, it was well worth it. So here is what I say, if you only listen to the pundits and have no experience, shut your fucking mouth!

Oo, oo, I have! I got great benefits from it.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

no, that is why I said specifically the numbers about lost jobs. I know that the percents still do matter, and that bussiness friendly policies are good.

For my conservative (or libertarian) side, this is why we really need to reduce federal regulations and programs because even if I want programs and regulations in Jersey, Texas should be able to do what they want.

That way, people would see the true effects of less govenment intervention and we could keep the parts that work and throw away the ones that don't.

The federal regulations effect the businesses and factories in the South just as they do in the north. THAT is not the differential. We can see the effects of cooperative government and lower taxes and less union interference and overhead. The northern states can lower their taxes, cut their regulations and the companies can declare chapter 11 and get out of their union contracts and stave off creditors.