Thread: Democrat Party Still At The Altar Of Union Masters

Originally Posted by Stinger

The federal regulations effect the businesses and factories in the South just as they do in the north. THAT is not the differential. We can see the effects of cooperative government and lower taxes and less union interference and overhead. The northern states can lower their taxes, cut their regulations and the companies can declare chapter 11 and get out of their union contracts and stave off creditors.

i know federal regulations aren't the differential and I never said that they were. I was just talking about economic policy in general. sorry I was agreein with you

Originally Posted by michaelr

Has anyone here had a union job. I belonged to the carpenters union, and the painters union.

Carpenters and shipbuilders. First was crooked and me and another guy fought to get out and lost our jobs over it. Shipyard you either joined or had something drop on your head.

Also dealt with them as management. When I worked in Chicago the contract was coming up. I was a production superintendent and worked directly for the plant manager. We were talking about it and I asked if he thought there might be a strike, the union was getting the members all fired up. He told me no there would be no strike and that the wage increase would be this percent and the contract would be accepted on the third vote.

Sure enough the members elected their floor reps and they and the shop stewards and the union business managers went into the meeting with the company management. After a while they came out with an offer and got the members all fired up and said this is crap and we ain't gonna take it, so they voted it down. So they all went back in and after a while came out and the union said we're not gonna take this we're not gonna let them do this to you don't vote for this we're gonna fight for you , so they voted it down and they went in a third time and this time the union came out and see what we got you, now we've stuck it to them, this is a good deal vote for it and so they did.

And the members never knew the union had negotiated the contract before talks ever began, the terms had already been set.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

i know federal regulations aren't the differential and I never said that they were. I was just talking about economic policy in general. sorry I was agreein with you

Hey I'm all for lower federal regulations, and it would help all the auto manufacturers and all business and industry in general, but that's not what will save the big 3. Shame of it is the government is going to increase regulation on them when they take them over like the Dems are salivating to do.

Lower taxes and less union overhead is the only thing that is going to save them, oh and better cars.

Originally Posted by Stinger

Carpenters and shipbuilders. First was crooked and me and another guy fought to get out and lost our jobs over it. Shipyard you either joined or had something drop on your head.

Also dealt with them as management. When I worked in Chicago the contract was coming up. I was a production superintendent and worked directly for the plant manager. We were talking about it and I asked if he thought there might be a strike, the union was getting the members all fired up. He told me no there would be no strike and that the wage increase would be this percent and the contract would be accepted on the third vote.

Sure enough the members elected their floor reps and they and the shop stewards and the union business managers went into the meeting with the company management. After a while they came out with an offer and got the members all fired up and said this is crap and we ain't gonna take it, so they voted it down. So they all went back in and after a while came out and the union said we're not gonna take this we're not gonna let them do this to you don't vote for this we're gonna fight for you , so they voted it down and they went in a third time and this time the union came out and see what we got you, now we've stuck it to them, this is a good deal vote for it and so they did.

And the members never knew the union had negotiated the contract before talks ever began, the terms had already been set.

The union leaders learned a lot from the gov, hey?

Originally Posted by Stinger

Texas is a 3rd world country?

What does Texas have to do with OHio?

Originally Posted by michaelr

Has anyone here had a union job. I belonged to the carpenters union, and the painters union. We busted ass. When I was contracting, and I did that for 20+ years, I hired union, it was well worth it. So here is what I say, if you only listen to the pundits and have no experience, shut your fucking mouth!

Fuck Yeah, Michael

it is very telling the the main image people think of when they think labor union is Jimmy Hoffa.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

it is very telling the the main image people think of when they think labor union is Jimmy Hoffa.

Telling in what way although he not the main image, just one that stands out more than others for me.

Originally Posted by Stinger

Telling in what way although he not the main image, just one that stands out more than others for me.

telling in that unions are pretty much tools for organized crime.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

telling in that unions are pretty much tools for organized crime.

Yeah, right. Perhaps you didn't learn this but the scandalous minority tends to make better news than the good deeds of the majority.