Thread: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America

Originally Posted by Oftencold

Well, Leftists are currently more Serfs than Slaves. A Slave has the dignity of knowing that he is in his estate because of force, while the Serf is generally a pacified wretch, compliant towards his Masters, unquestioning, unthinking, and accepting the status of lifelong childhood.

Further, Christianity is about being related to God, not a slave, indeed it is about the escape from slavery. I fear that you wouldn't understand.

how is a "leftist" any more of a serf than any other american?

and to say that a slave is somehow "better" than a serf is ridiculous. for one i don't think you can compare the two, but if you'd like, i'd say at least the serf has diginity in the fact that they aren't someones property, to be bought, sold or discarded on a whim by the owner, like a chair or lamp.

Originally Posted by Oftencold

He allowed his followers to call him a "messiah." This fact alone should have made the concept of him gaining political power repugnant to the populace.

by "followers" do you mean a few of his fanatical crazy supporters?

all groups have them, always have.

Originally Posted by Oftencold

Perhaps the lack of clarity is on the part of the reader and not the writer?

Tell me, do you you require a formal critical analysis and interpretive thesis to be presented when you read a fortune cookie, or do kind people just tell you what it means and how to react?

lol

A forture cookie has all of its information that is in it (unlike this article), and people don't go on political forums to talk about things as simple of fortune cookies.

So what is your view on this? Do you think Obama will create the "Obamania Youth"?

Come on, I thought you were a rationalist.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

how is a "leftist" any more of a serf than any other american?

and to say that a slave is somehow "better" than a serf is ridiculous. for one i don't think you can compare the two, but if you'd like, i'd say at least the serf has diginity in the fact that they aren't someones property, to be bought, sold or discarded on a whim by the owner, like a chair or lamp.

Please study your history. All of the things you described attained to the status of Serfdom. The difference again, was that a Slave is forced while a Serf generally accepts. As a class they certainly accepted. They were property in effect.

A Slave constantly considers revolt. A Serf is fearful of taking responsibility for himself.

A Slave is a constant threat to the power structure. A Serf is part of the foundation of the establishment.

A Leftist at this time and place is a Serf because he looks to his Masters in the form of the Government, and detestably, in the form of a man who sees himself more as a king than a president-elect, to supply all their needs wants and justice.

The Enlightened see themselves as Freemen, who direct the Government to provide minimal services and not to interfere more than needed in their affairs.

Further, Serfs are discouraged from critique of the Masters, such as is the state of affairs on the increasingly Socialist Left.

I now see the possibility that I will die an unwilling Slave to the State, but I will never be its Serf.

Originally Posted by Oftencold

Please study your history. All of the things you described attained to the status of Serfdom. The difference again, was that a Slave is forced while a Serf generally accepts. As a class they certainly accepted. They were property in effect.

A Slave constantly considers revolt. A Serf is fearful of taking responsibility for himself.

A Slave is a constant threat to the power structure. A Serf is part of the foundation of the establishment.

A Leftist at this time and place is a Serf because he looks to his Masters in the form of the Government, and detestably, in the form of a man who sees himself more as a king than a president-elect, to supply all their needs wants and justice.

The Enlightened see themselves as Freemen, who direct the Government to provide minimal services and not to interfere more than needed in their affairs.

Further, Serfs are discouraged from critique of the Masters, such as is the state of affairs on the increasingly Socialist Left.

I now see the possibility that I will die an unwilling Slave to the State, but I will never be its Serf.

i think you would agree that all americans are, at the end of the day, subjected to the policies and management of the government. therefore, when the government does things that non-leftists don't agree with, and they do nothing about it, which they don't, what does that make them? apathetic? powerless? stupid?

you seem to be bashing "leftists" because they "accept" what their government does for them, and even want and desire their government to take care of them. yet those on the right seemingly do NOTHING to stop the policies which they claim to be so against. i fail to see how that is better. in my book, its much much worse.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

lol

A forture cookie has all of its information that is in it (unlike this article), and people don't go on political forums to talk about things as simple of fortune cookies.

So what is your view on this? Do you think Obama will create the "Obamania Youth"?

Come on, I thought you were a rationalist.

You mean like compelling "community service" from the youth?

I believe that he will if he can.

I am a Rationalist with respect to Government, though I do not make that claim with respect to the far larger portion of life beyond political discourse. But I am also an History aficionado. Barak Obama is nothing new. His like appeared a nuber of times in the 20th Century alone.

So, yes, I expect him to follow the pattern he thus far matches, that of a Charismatic despot who will seek to remake the government in a fashion that embraces totalitarian values.

Obama is a rerun.

Originally Posted by Bourne

Who in their right mind takes advice from Nazis?

Did you really say that? OMG!

Yeah, lets just forget about history and not learn a single thing, because hey, that's just old people talking and what value could they ever have - right?

I have done a tremendous amount of research ever since high school based around Hitler, Nazi Germany and such. I've studied the sociological aspects of the german people (at that time), the politics and thier economics. I've thought from the beginning that the US is following almost an exact path that the germans were through in the 30's and into the 40's.

I have been hesitant to mention Nazi Germany, because whenever people do, the sociological point is always missed due to people arguing about the holocaust and Hitler killing jews. The genocide, although horrendous, was an incidental to everything else Hitler was and wasn't even really known until the very end of the war.

Originally Posted by Mabol zar Hari

Did you really say that? OMG!

Yeah, lets just forget about history and not learn a single thing, because hey, that's just old people talking and what value could they ever have - right?

I have done a tremendous amount of research ever since high school based around Hitler, Nazi Germany and such. I've studied the sociological aspects of the german people (at that time), the politics and thier economics. I've thought from the beginning that the US is following almost an exact path that the germans were through in the 30's and into the 40's.

I have been hesitant to mention Nazi Germany, because whenever people do, the sociological point is always missed due to people arguing about the holocaust and Hitler killing jews. The genocide, although horrendous, was an incidental to everything else Hitler was and wasn't even really known until the very end of the war.

except this isn't the 30's and 40's, and this isn't germany.

hindsight is 20/20, so its very easy to look back and draw invalid comparisions and come to the conclusion that we are "following the same path" when in fact the paths are completely different.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

except this isn't the 30's and 40's, and this isn't germany.

hindsight is 20/20, so its very easy to look back and draw invalid comparisions and come to the conclusion that we are "following the same path" when in fact the paths are completely different.

Well, I guess you proved my point!

BTW, In regards to Iraq and the current situation in the USA. One can draw striking similarities to Rome of 165ish-192AD when Marcus Aurelius left Rome to his son Commodus.

But hey, history never repeats itself does it?

Originally Posted by Oftencold

You mean like compelling "community service" from the youth?

I believe that he will if he can.

I am a Rationalist with respect to Government, though I do not make that claim with respect to the far larger portion of life beyond political discourse. But I am also an History aficionado. Barak Obama is nothing new. His like appeared a nuber of times in the 20th Century alone.

So, yes, I expect him to follow the pattern he thus far matches, that of a Charismatic despot who will seek to remake the government in a fashion that embraces totalitarian values.

Obama is a rerun.

Possibly, of course. But when has a dictator risen to power on the winds of protecting civil liberties and peace?

I am not sure if that has happened, (so if you have an example then you can prove my wrong) but at least with Hitler and Stalin (because I don't know much detail about other dictators) both got support from saying that even if they were supressing democracy it was for other gains.

Obama's campaign promises are about actually increasing our amount of civil liberties. You can say that he may be lying, but that means that anyone can lie and we are never safe from a dictatorship (which we aren't). You just can't claim that there is a new fear of a dictatorship under Obama that hasn't existed for every other president as well.

Dictators normally seem to play on fears of the population, but I don't believe you can play off the fear of a government restricting civil liberties so the government can restrict civil liberties.


But charismatic leaders do always seem to find a way to ensnare the masses. But then again, not every single charismatic leader tries to enslave their population.