Thread: Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America

Originally Posted by Bourne

Who in their right mind takes advice from Nazis?

First, he was indoctrinated into the Nazi philosophy as a youth, and is a former Nazi.

Second the Wise will always heed advice from a knowledgeable source: you may stop reading now.

Security firms hire reformed thieves to advise them. Many great Abolitionists were former slave owners. Werner Von Braun helped to put Americans on the moon.

Amazing Grace was written by a repentant slave trader. Benjamin Franklin was a former Royalist.

The list of former members of one party, nation, philosophy or movement that have given good advice to their new comrades is endless. The Marxist Left gave the Rational Right David Horowitz after all.

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Excellent! Thank you for posting this.

People - listen - even if you're not religious, think of it this way: think of that word "God", as a euphemism for "your natural self" - "how you were born" - "what you're made of".

thats great. except half of america doesn't see "god" that way. they see "god" as God, and they want you to see it that way as well.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

people that read worldnetdaily apparently

Please, do refer us to the news service that you have created, whether print, broadcast, or internet, that we may compare.

Originally Posted by Oftencold

First, he was indoctrinated into the Nazi philosophy as a youth, and is a former Nazi.

wait wait...

this guy can be a "former" nazi, but william ayers is STILL a terrorist?!

Originally Posted by Oftencold

Please, do refer us to the news service that you have created, whether print, broadcast, or internet, that we may compare.

huh? when did i say i created my own news outlet, and what does that have to do with anything?

Originally Posted by nickcuse

thats great. except half of america doesn't see "god" that way. they see "god" as God, and they want you to see it that way as well.

Well, look - that's okay. I mean, if all we have in common is a WORD, then at least that's SOMETHING. Yes? That's a place to start, yes?

Friend, I don't even know how to say this, 'cause this stuff makes me very, very sad.

You know, I, study "belief". In a kind of "scholarly" way, you might say - I mean, it's kinda "abstract" for me, right? A "theoretical" exercise, except insofar as I see it unfolding in the real world.

And I mean, once knowing a little about how "belief" operates, and the physiology underneath it and all that, I look around in this world, and I note that people believe all KINDS of strange stuff. My favorite example is the Cargo Cults (please Google on that if you don't know what it is), but I mean, there are THOUSANDS of examples out there - MILLIONS!!!

See, so, if your head takes you to "God" when you're lookin' at stuff, pal - who the heck am I to tell you "you're wrong". Not me, pal. My belief, is probably just as wierd as yours - I'm a human being too, just like you are, so I mean, there is NO reason I should be excluded from the equation, right?

In my way of lookin' at things, the people who are "religious" about their atheism, are no different from the people who are "religious" about their religion! See, so, this, to me, is what I call a "model". This is a MODEL, is what it is. What you're talkin' about, when you say "God", that is a MODEL, and I submit to you, that if you get any ten people in a room and ask 'em which model they're using when they talk about it, you'll get TEN different answers!

Now, I kinda hear you raising (somewhere in there) the "loyalty" issue. The concept being, "is your loyalty to God or to the People of the United States"? Well, I don't necessarily see any incompatibility there. I know enough about the Bible, to where I could explain it to someone in "religious" terms. Render unto Caesar, and concepts like that.

And, I know enough about the Constitution, to where I could explain it to someone in "secular" terms - Human Rights, and Limited Powers, things like that.

I really, REALLY, don't see any incompatibility between those two models.

As near as I can tell, they're really both sayin' a version of the same thing.

And I mean, if you wanna make a big deal about the WORDS, then... "I'm flexible", know what I'm sayin'? I'll talk Constitution to you, and God to some other guy. And I mean, if we keep doin' that ENOUGH, then pretty soon we'll start usin' the same words for the concepts we're talkin' about.

Yes?

Originally Posted by nickcuse

so in order to not be slaves to a dictator, we have to be slaves to god. got it.

Well, Leftists are currently more Serfs than Slaves. A Slave has the dignity of knowing that he is in his estate because of force, while the Serf is generally a pacified wretch, compliant towards his Masters, unquestioning, unthinking, and accepting the status of lifelong childhood.

Further, Christianity is about being related to God, not a slave, indeed it is about the escape from slavery. I fear that you wouldn't understand.

The part of the article I agree with is the underlying idea that people will turn anything into a religion.

Obama is just a politician. He has a dirty job to do. He will not please everyone. He will change his positions. He's not a messiah. His election is not "historical" any more than any other election is historical. I wish him well. But I will not worship.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

The part of the article I agree with is the underlying idea that people will turn anything into a religion.

Obama is just a politician. He has a dirty job to do. He will not please everyone. He will change his positions. He's not a messiah. His election is not "historical" any more than any other election is historical. I wish him well. But I will not worship.

He allowed his followers to call him a "messiah." This fact alone should have made the concept of him gaining political power repugnant to the populace.

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Well, look - that's okay. I mean, if all we have in common is a WORD, then at least that's SOMETHING. Yes? That's a place to start, yes?

except i'd rather not have anything in common with someone that wants to force their beliefs on me. so no.