Thread: Final assessment of Bush presidency

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Bush is average. Better than Carter, way better than Wilson, FDR or Kennedy.

On a par with the Rapist he replaced.

No where near Washington, Lincoln, or Reagan.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Easy.

"Average" is defined as:

The sum of the population divided by the number of elements in the population, ie the "mean".

The most common occuring element in a population, ie, the "mode".

The point in the middle of the distribution, the "median".

Pretty much Bush is in the middle of what the other 42 president's have done.

You did know what the word "average" meant, didn't you?

Even though you think that Bush did better then FDR or Kennedy that is just because you are biased.

Clinton also had more successful results then Bush, even if Clinton did have a better economy. But that still puts him ahead of Bush.

I know that Carter and Wilson's results were worse then Bush, but that doesn't mean that bush isn't near the bottom.

Eisenhower, Ford, TR, Cleveland, Bush senior or basically any other president had more successful policies then George Bush. Political party doesn't matter...

So when it comes to average, Bush is objectively much under that level.



If you want, you can make a poll about "effort" and I suppose Bush would do pretty well for that. But an E for effort doesn't mean that your presidency was a suscess, or even average.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Since Bush has little over two months left, I figure it is unlikely there will be any more major issues he could deal with that would be likely to change opinion on him. So I would like you to rate his presidency. One being the best, five the worst.

Great poll Zara, very telling.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

Final? Give it 20 years, at least. Iraq could go either way.

No way is Bush going to pull a Harry Truman. That was all hocus pocus by the White House Press Corp to justify his horrible approval rating. The day we leave Iraq it will begin to unwravel until it becomes what it is. Brutal leadership and lot's of scores that need settling. Oil cash too...to sieze by those not afraid to employ all manner of sleazy machavellian corrupt thugs.

Spinning George Bush's failures into a respectable approval rating in twenty years won't pay so it won't happen...shit, I'll be 64 in twenty years.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

Even though you think that Bush did better then FDR or Kennedy that is just because you are biased.

See what happens when you go to a socialist public school?

You believe "honest" is spelled "B-I-A-S-E-D".

[quote=Nerv14;724108]Clinton also had more successful results then Bush, even if Clinton did have a better economy. But that still puts him ahead of Bush.[quote]

No, generally society put's rapists at the bottom of the social ladder, behind car thieves and murderers. Then again, I've never rated Clinton any higher the low average, anyway. Not much difference between the two. Socialist presidents don't rank well in an honest assessment, when the Constitution is used as the metric.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

I know that Carter and Wilson's results were worse then Bush, but that doesn't mean that bush isn't near the bottom.

Bush is average. I'm not going to make some kind of detailed historical analysis of the twenty-three presidents that didn't make it into the Top Ten/Bottom Ten lists of history to see where Bush's "exact" spot in history is.

I could name ten that were worst, ten that were best, though it would be a stretch in both cases, and identify what put them there, but it's clear Bush is in with the mob in the middle of the bell curve. He kept the economy rolling - and growing - after Clinton's recession and the terrorist attacks...he didn't know what to do with Iraq to be effective....shit balances like that.

Welcome to Reality.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

Eisenhower, Ford, TR, Cleveland, Bush senior or basically any other president had more successful policies then George Bush. Political party doesn't matter...

You mean the one-term Bush, who's policies squandered the opportunities the greatest president since Lincoln left for him to carry on? You think maybe there was a reason, having to do with policies, that Bush the Foist didn't win re-election?

Teddy Roosevelt, who's "Big Stick Policy" is still earning the United States pointless animus in South America to this day?

Cleveland? Yeah, any president that supports classic liberalism and tries to be honest and Constitutional is likely to be a good president.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

So when it comes to average, Bush is objectively much under that level.

Not really, you didn't list average presidents.

Average is Polk and Eisenhower and Harrison, who you can't name an accomplishment for without thinking hard, and Bush is going to be one of those guys, just give him time. You people all lack the perspective of history and imagine that your hormonal flows of today are the benchmark of what's real and important.

Bush did no lasting harm, he did no lasting good.

That makes him average, and students of the future will just see a name with no much next to it.

Disagree? Compare Bush's record to Washington, who set a high standard, Lincoln, who saved the Union, Wilson, who destroyed the Constitution, FDR that destroyed the future, and Carter, who was attacked by killer rabbits, just like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

LEARN something for a change.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

If you want, you can make a poll about "effort" and I suppose Bush would do pretty well for that. But an E for effort doesn't mean that your presidency was a suscess, or even average.

Why would I want to do that? Results count. Bush didn't have much either positive or negative, and that's about all that history is going to say, in the long run.

Wilson tops the list of Worst Presidents, Washington is closely crowded by Reagan for top honors.

Ain't no Bush, but in the middle, where bushes belong.

Bush did an outstanding job as tyra..*cough* President.

He proved he was better than the terrorists. He killed more Americans with his illegal war than the terrorists killed on Septermber 11th, 2001, and he's damn proud of that fact.

He saved the taxpayers millions of dollars in legal expenses and courtroom time by pardoning himself and his staff with an Executive Order so we don't have to try him for his various war crimes. When he is reminded of this, we see him smile and give that awful little laugh of his.

The Dictat..*cough cough* The President did the world a huge favor in liberating the Iraqi oil from the clutches of an evil man named Saddam Hussein by digging him out of a hole, stretching his neck and putting him back in a hole in the ground. He made his job look so good, even a contender named Barrack Hussein Obama won the presidency in a landslide, proving once and for all America isn't racist anymore. Excellent work all around!

He even sent everyone a bonus check because the economy went nose first into the ground, and people got free money. Isn't that swell? He even made sure our grandchildren would be repaying the debt for that long after all of us are long dead! Nice job!

Of course, if you think I really like the guy for all of that, you're wrong. He is a top notch guy only if he is working for the enemy, because he never, ever worked for us, the People.

Originally Posted by Oberdan

Bush did an outstanding job as tyra..*cough* President.

He proved he was better than the terrorists. He killed more Americans with his illegal war than the terrorists killed on Septermber 11th, 2001, and he's damn proud of that fact.

He saved the taxpayers millions of dollars in legal expenses and courtroom time by pardoning himself and his staff with an Executive Order so we don't have to try him for his various war crimes. When he is reminded of this, we see him smile and give that awful little laugh of his.

The Dictat..*cough cough* The President did the world a huge favor in liberating the Iraqi oil from the clutches of an evil man named Saddam Hussein by digging him out of a hole, stretching his neck and putting him back in a hole in the ground. He made his job look so good, even a contender named Barrack Hussein Obama won the presidency in a landslide, proving once and for all America isn't racist anymore. Excellent work all around!

He even sent everyone a bonus check because the economy went nose first into the ground, and people got free money. Isn't that swell? He even made sure our grandchildren would be repaying the debt for that long after all of us are long dead! Nice job!

Of course, if you think I really like the guy for all of that, you're wrong. He is a top notch guy only if he is working for the enemy, because he never, ever worked for us, the People.

Well at least you are not biased at all!
That's an awful lot of credit to give to one man.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Since Bush has little over two months left, I figure it is unlikely there will be any more major issues he could deal with that would be likely to change opinion on him. So I would like you to rate his presidency. One being the best, five the worst.

I'd like to agree.. but...another Bush dragged the United States into Somalia for no reason at all, the December after he lost his re-election bid.

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Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Easy.

"Average" is defined as:

The sum of the population divided by the number of elements in the population, ie the "mean".

Which in this case is 4.4 somewhere etween lackluster and abysmal.

The most common occuring element in a population, ie, the "mode".

Which in this case is a 5, abysmal.

The point in the middle of the distribution, the "median".

Which in this case is also a 5, abysmal.

Pretty much Bush is in the middle of what the other 42 president's have done.

No, based on this data set it appears his performance was abysmal.
4.40 ± 0.995 (CV=22.6%, n=20), actually looks pretty accurate.

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Originally Posted by Stinger

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His tax cut saved the economy from what could have been a huge disaster coming out of the Clinton recession and then 9/11.

Bush did not inherit a recession, sorry.

His quick action against the Taliban.

The Taliban are coming back therefore his quick action was a failure.

His finally solving the Saddam problem.

Yeah he solved the Saddam problem. Only problem is he created a bigger one by giving a new home to AQ

Having the fortitude to see Iraq through to the success we have seen are seeing and hopefully will continue to see.

We have not seen success in Iraq and given time, Al Sadr will run and be elected and we will have another muslim theocracy that despises us.

Why I rated him so low:

- He dragged us into a completely unneccessary war

- He failed after 8 years, to catch Bin Laden

- He subverted the Constitution, denying habeous corpus to American citizens

- He badly handled the Katrina disaster