Thread: So Obama

Originally Posted by anonnymous

What I have said has very little to do with Obama and a whole lot to do with the coming hyper-deflation followed by hyper-inflation. Obama can do what he must but I for one do not expect him to do what is necessary. More than likely he will continue to spend money at the problem and so that will make what he does irrelevant. There comes a time in everyones life were they have to make decisions based on what is real and not the illusion that is projected by the talking heads.

You may be right. But then again, you may not. My point is the naysayers should give the man a reasonable chance to succeed before throwing rocks at him.

Originally Posted by Bourne

You may be right. But then again, you may not. My point is the naysayers should give the man a reasonable chance to succeed before throwing rocks at him.

What would you deem a success with regards to the economy? What would be a reasonable chance?

Originally Posted by anonnymous

What would you deem a success with regards to the economy? What would be a reasonable chance?

If we actually come OUT of this recession in a "standard" time-frame, say, six to nine months, that would a spectacular accomplishment!

I don't think we can do it though. I think this one's a full-on Depression, and it'll last for maybe two years, barring any unforeseen national or international events.

The corps are walkin' a VERY fine line here, and I mean, they better start shakin' in their boots. I was just dealin' with one of 'em tonight, lettin' 'em know I wasn't gonna take any more sh*t from 'em.

They're caught between a rock and a hard place now: not bein' able to get a bank loan, and not havin' any customers. They're gonna start folding like flies. I was just listening to a DeutscheBank analyst tellin' me that GM stock is going down to ZERO - it's gonna be WORTHLESS in a very short time! Unless, of course, We the People have mercy upon their sorry *sses and bail 'em out.

And I mean, I am NOT inclined to do that, 'cause those are the very SAME *ssholes that sat on all KINDS of useful patents for twenty five years or MORE.... only problem is, those screw-up no-'ccounts got my TECHNOLOGY, and I NEED it, so, I probably gotta bail 'em out. Scumbags.

Well, I'm kinda looking for LITTLE things from Obama, at first. Like, here's one - right now, in the government economic reporting numbers, frozen french fries are considered "fresh vegetables", and the REASON for that, is they bolster the farm numbers. Our agro-sector isn't in NEARLY as good shape as the "numbers" say it is. And it's cause of stuff like that - frozen french fries are fresh vegetables.

So, ONE thing I wanna see from those weasels RIGHT AWAY, is the TRUTH. I want to know what's REALLY going on. I want them NOT to fudge numbers to meet expectations - that's CORPORATE bs, and it doesn't become the government. The government is responsible to ME, that's what I pay those clowns for. So they better start reportin' the real numbers, or I ain't payin' 'em anymore. I'm not payin' those guys to LIE. I'm payin' em to tell me the TRUTH and be RESPONSIBLE to "me as a citizen".

Now, the MOST important thing economically, is to reverse the debt trend of the US as a nation. We got a situation now, where every man woman and child in the US owes over 41,000 dollars. Each, that would be. And, interest accumulates at roughly five precent a year, give or take, so by this time next year it'll be 45,000, and the year after that, 50,000. That's if we do NOTHING - acquire NO new debt! And you know what the likelihood of THAT is, right? So, we better start paying that off NOW, and that's going to have to dovetail with the effort of rebuilding this nation's infrastructure, so somehow, they're gonna have to make all that work. It will be DIFFICULT. I'm not expecting miracles. Just do the JOB, and don't get sidetracked, is all I ask.

You know, if Obama really pushes the teacher thing, I might even sign up. I got nothin' better to do anyway, than teach kiddies about the Constitution. And I figure at least I'll get some healthcare out of it. That's not a bad deal actually, in today's world.

Originally Posted by Bourne

You may be right. But then again, you may not. My point is the naysayers should give the man a reasonable chance to succeed before throwing rocks at him.

I listened carefully to Obamas accepence speech. He extoled the vales of
self reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. And then moments later, he opined of service and responsibility, and the need to pitch in and
"look after" each other.

Frankly, I am not sure what Obama will actually do. But I did read an article stating that the economic problem will not deter him from his social entitlement ageda.

Yer right, I will judge him by what he does, not what he says. But, given the nature of the tenents he championed in his campain, don't expect me to get all gushy for him just because he won....

Originally Posted by anonnymous

What would you deem a success with regards to the economy?

I'm not certain since the economic predicament has been a long time in the making and it's global. I'll render judgement as Obama's term progresses.

Originally Posted by anonnymous

What would be a reasonable chance?

I would say two years.

If people had more actual religion in their lives and more forgiveness in their hearts, they wouldn't be so hard on their Presidents.

The real forces messing up the country can be summed up by the male protagonist in "Pretty Woman." Our economy has rested too much on the manipulation of money. We need to get back to building things. You can only go so far in trying to be innovative with money before you end up with a real mess. This isn't something Obama can fix. But people are so hepped up on him that he will fall hard.

Last year when I was arguing that "lying" is a natural part of politics, I was called a Bushbot. Well, they are going to have to start calling me an Obamabot because I'm not holding him to any of his promises. In fact, I really hope he forgets most of em and just tries to do what's best for the country. Let the "lying" begin.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

If people had more actual religion in their lives and more forgiveness in their hearts, they wouldn't be so hard on their Presidents.

Are you being utopian? Or, waxing nostalgic?

President of the United States, that's probably the job with the MOST power, anywhere in the world. You got MILLIONS of minions just ready and waiting to do your bidding.

That's the most dangerous job in the world. That isn't a job for "forgiveness", friend. That is a job for VIGILANCE.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

The real forces messing up the country can be summed up by the male protagonist in "Pretty Woman." Our economy has rested too much on the manipulation of money. We need to get back to building things. You can only go so far in trying to be innovative with money before you end up with a real mess.

You are learning, Grasshopper. Well done.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

This isn't something Obama can fix. But people are so hepped up on him that he will fall hard.

What makes you think Obama can't fix it? Dude, ten billion bucks in green technology will go a LONG way towards fixing that. The industrial age is over, pal. There's a new game in town. In fact, I even started a thread on it - "Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor", I think I called it....

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

Last year when I was arguing that "lying" is a natural part of politics, I was called a Bushbot. Well, they are going to have to start calling me an Obamabot because I'm not holding him to any of his promises. In fact, I really hope he forgets most of em and just tries to do what's best for the country. Let the "lying" begin.

Interesting. You're not cynical, are you? :laughing:

Nah, I'm holding him to his word. He told me he was gonna do somethin', and I expect him to do it. "How" he does it, he didn't say, and I didn't ask. But so far, he's already startin' to do what he SAID he would do, which to me, is a very good sign.

He didn't tell me what "else" he was gonna do, and I didn't ask about that either. And, frankly, I am very open-minded when it comes to social mechanisms.

The only thing I'm NOT open-minded about, is that contract. That thing, better be RESPECTED, or we got big problems. Now look - I don't fault anyone for bein' "incapable", like, maybe they're stupid, or maybe even handicapped or somethin', so they can't do some particular job very well. THAT, is understandable, and maybe even forgivable.

But THUMBING YOUR NOSE AT THE CONTRACT, is the same as thumbing your nose at the People, and that, is NOT forgivable. That is a CARDINAL sin. That should land you in JAIL. IMMEDIATELY!!!

If you're sittin' in the highest office in the 'land, and you're thumbin' your nose at the contract, you should be removed, and then you should go to jail. In that order. And QUICKLY!!!

If Obama starts doin' that, he should go to JAIL!!! And QUICKLY!!! But I mean, I'm "pretty" darn sure, that Obama is WAY too smart to do somethin' like that. Nah, Obama is a VERY good salesman. I know him, I know his kind. WELL. And he's a rock star, when it comes to that type of individual. Thumbin' your nose at the contact, is bitin' the hand that feeds, and people like that, don't DO stuff like that. They just don't.

How people like that operate, is they NAVIGATE through the various hands, and find an equilibrium where two things are true: they're not gettin' clobbered, and they're reasonably comfortable with themselves.

THAT, equates with a conscience. It's the "opposite" thing from the Bush approach, which is "not" to navigate whenever possible. Navigation is a pain in the *ss, so you wanna move in a STRAIGHT line from point A to point B, and mow anything down that's in your way. See, and I mean, that's just dumb, that's tiddly-winks stuff. Cracker Jacks. Mickey Mouse.

But, it's the Neo-Con way TOO, and, it does have resonance in the business world too, so.... there's plenty of people like that.

Miyamoto Musashi: power is like water. When used effectively, it never has a shape of its own, but rather assumes the shape of its vessel.

Bushie was hardly a strategic genius. I'll bet he never even read Sun Tzu. Else he wouldn't have been broadcasting his intentions, and sayin' stupid stuff like "you're either with us or you're against us".

Yes. The ability to construct a coherent sentence is a GOOD thing.

You're a preacher NonSq. Ask for a collection.

I also think you are naive. We are losing good public servants because of the holier than thou media and their ridiculous, impossible to define morality.

They can move the goalposts and people don't even notice. This recent political season is the perfect example. People just pick the story line and get outraged. There is no substance to 99% of it......

"It's just his sex life" when it's a case of sexual harassment, having sex with an employee and accusations of rape.

It's moral outrage when she allowed her husband to call the complaint line too often.

I haven't seen so much faking since that scene in "When Harry met Sally."

Well, maybe some of you need to read the bailout bill a little closer. The president has very little he can do for the economy other than increasing spending. The treasury has complete control of our money supply and the markets.

I would like nothing more than for Obama to succeed but if he follows the constitution and upholds the law of the land he will find that congress and the treasury are the ones with the ability to impact change.

I know this is not what most want to hear but in order to save this economy the government needs to freeze spending and make an across the board cut in spending of 5% to 10% immediately and up that to 20% by the second year. We need to let any company or financial institution fail that can not maintain. The wars need to be stopped and bases closed around the world.

If we do not do these things immediately than the prospects of an economic recovery are dim.

Its sorta like trying to fix a leak in a dam with bubble gum. Unless you drain the water and fix the dam properly you run the risk of a deluge that will most certainly destroy the towns down stream.