Thread: Experience is overrated.

Experience was McCain's main selling point during the waning days of his campaign. While experience is nice, there are many much more valuable traits such as cool-headedness, intellectual curiousity, and just plain old intelligence. The experience is kind of a cop-out because it enables the opposing candidate to say he is the better choice simply because he's been in politics longer, when there are different kinds of exp for different jobs.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Experience was McCain's main selling point during the waning days of his campaign. While experience is nice, there are many much more valuable traits such as cool-headedness, intellectual curiousity, and just plain old intelligence. The experience is kind of a cop-out because it enables the opposing candidate to say he is the better choice simply because he's been in politics longer, when there are different kinds of exp for different jobs.

We shall see. I think there is strong possibility that Obama may do well, quite apart from the policy issues. But he's not even President yet. So far, he seems to be hiring the same old same olds and making fun of Nancy Reagan and looking good on TV. But we already knew he could do that, now didn't we?

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

We shall see. I think there is strong possibility that Obama may do well, quite apart from the policy issues. But he's not even President yet. So far, he seems to be hiring the same old same olds and making fun of Nancy Reagan and looking good on TV. But we already knew he could do that, now didn't we?

I don't get why righties are so offended by Obama saying he doesn't want to have a seance. Did Nancy Reagan try to have a seance? I know Mary Todd Lincoln did. The level of outrage over this statement is inappropriate given what was said.

km...why do righties and conservatives have to live thier lives in a constant state of moral outrage?...it's bad for anyone's overall cardio vascular health. I know Rush and Fox broadcast moral outrage constantly, maybe it's just feeling jilted combined with brainwashing.

Now I just went off the high dive with moral outrage on the LDS thread, so I'm not claiming perfection either. Which brings me to my closing point...We should strive for perfection, but settle for progress. Complaining about a lack of perfection in the Obama administration will keep righties busy for four years...but spending the next four years hating would suck.

With lack of experience you don't get genuine cool-headedness, intellectual curiousity, and just plain old intelligence, these things comes with experience. Lack of experience gives us the folly's of the Bush Administration.

We should be willing to give Obama the time he needs to adjust, grow, and become a good president, strengthen his experience since it will help us all.

The lack of experience tag line didn't start with McCain, it started with the American people who were afraid of another 8 years like the last 8 years.

Hopefully under an Obama presidency his experience will be the public Joe keeping him and his motions in check.

Originally Posted by Goldwater

I don't get why righties are so offended by Obama saying he doesn't want to have a seance. Did Nancy Reagan try to have a seance?

You are projecting the outrage. The thread states that experience is overrated. But we have no data yet. I'm not outraged. Anything that has happened so far is inconsequential compared to what happens later when he actually has the job.

Originally Posted by johnflesh

With lack of experience you don't get genuine cool-headedness, intellectual curiousity, and just plain old intelligence, these things comes with experience. Lack of experience gives us the folly's of the Bush Administration.

We should be willing to give Obama the time he needs to adjust, grow, and become a good president, strengthen his experience since it will help us all.

The lack of experience tag line didn't start with McCain, it started with the American people who were afraid of another 8 years like the last 8 years.

Hopefully under an Obama presidency his experience will be the public Joe keeping him and his motions in check.

Actually, aside from Bush himself, he had one of the most experienced administrations in a long time. Nobody in the country had better resumes than Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, yet I don't think you would disagree that they have been horrible for our country.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Actually, aside from Bush himself, he had one of the most experienced administrations in a long time. Nobody in the country had better resumes than Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, yet I don't think you would disagree that they have been horrible for our country.

Depends on what kind of experience you are talking about. I don't remember anyone in the Bush Administration holding values of experience that were mutually exclusive to them AND the rest of the country. Cheney is for war but has yet to actively participate, not really a gold star on one's resume is it? I guess that is an eye of the beholder thing.

And I suppose their experience is relative to each of our individual values. If there is no experience in peace, then there is often no experience, in my eye and that is troubling and doesn't stand out positively on a resume. I don't care what position someone held, I care what they did while holding it. Any old schmuck can get elected if given to the will of an uniformed, and equally nonparticipating public.

Its clear that no president elect has any experience being a president, its clear and its obvious, since they haven't had the chance yet. We should give Obama the chance to shine or dim out and be replaced by someone else.

Over all to me, experience matters and isn't overrated nor underrated. But it is relative.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

You are projecting the outrage. The thread states that experience is overrated. But we have no data yet. I'm not outraged. Anything that has happened so far is inconsequential compared to what happens later when he actually has the job.

Nice try...a projection of my fragile sensabilities...Google "Obama Nancy Reagan Seance" and you'll see page upon page of rightie outrage. And if it didn't befrazzle righties, why did Obama call to apologize....to get people to shut up about it.

If you read my post you'll find that at no point did I say you were outraged. Since you've decided to employ amatuerish psychobabble to explain my recognition of the same kind of phoney outrage from righties we saw during the election...I'll just share with you your recognition of it.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610
We shall see. I think there is strong possibility that Obama may do well, quite apart from the policy issues. But he's not even President yet. So far, he seems to be hiring the same old same olds and making fun of Nancy Reagan and looking good on TV. But we already knew he could do that, now didn't we?

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Experience was McCain's main selling point during the waning days of his campaign. While experience is nice, there are many much more valuable traits such as cool-headedness, intellectual curiousity, and just plain old intelligence. The experience is kind of a cop-out because it enables the opposing candidate to say he is the better choice simply because he's been in politics longer, when there are different kinds of exp for different jobs.

When you need life saving heart surgery, you going to choose the Intern who is about to graduate or the veteran of many successfull operations?

The United States is on the operating table now, and the Golden Hour is almost gone as the blood pressure is dropping.

The sad part of my analagy is both surgeons aren't really qualified, the young inexperienced one is too narrow minded and willing to sacrifice body parts, even babies, just to put you on life support so your brain dead body can stay warm enough to harvest the organs once the middle class gives up and kicks the plug out of the wall in grief. And as for our experienced guy, he's quick on the cutting yet his overconfidence can and will lead to on the spot complications and is willing to ride the ailment that is killing the heart with an adrenaline needle and heart massage, which has a very high chance of killing the patient right there on the table. A miracle recovery is the only bet this one gets up from ICU and out the door to physical therapy so all will be well.

We chose the young guy, because the old guy has shakey hands anyways and may pass out if the procedures are long and time consuming and the patient dies.

It's our country, man. We need to take care of it before it gets sick, as people like me been saying all the time. The meat and drink and vitamins are the US Constitution, the blood is the people. We start clotting over issues and divide the flow of power between two parties too much, a large clot will break free and while happy in the new stream of hemoglobin, rides straight to the heart and causes a myocardial infarction. Heart attack time is here, the anesthesiologist is being paged.

That's what we get for not taking care of things ourselves.

Experience itself means nothing. POSITIVE experience is the only thing that counts.
Example:

Would you want a heart surgeon working on you that has great EXPERIENCE, in that he has performed 400 heart surgeries.....................If he killed EVERY patient on the operating table? ...Thats experience....... but .....No thanks!