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Can you believe these clowns at the RNC?

These "anonymous" critics (and EVERYONE knows who they are), are trying to go after Sarah Palin for "spending a fortune on clothes".

Can you believe this crap?

Did you guys see the thread I posted about this little "donation" of clothing, from the RNC? About how it is a DIRECT violation of the McCain-Feingold Act, a FELONY (impeachable offense) punishable by two years in the slam, and about two MILLION dollars in fines?

And Sarah Palin says: "I didn't ask for those clothes. I didn't ask for ANYTHING. They said, 'here, wear this', and I did".

Imagine that!

Man, these RNC fools are REALLY in the toilet.

There's not a SHRED of decency left in the institution that once was the Grand Old Party.

Ronald Reagan would be ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE to see what his Party has become.

This is very unbecoming behavior, for the RNC or anyone else. It puts a blemish on the American brand.

This kind of thing, makes me agree with Devil - we need to go after those guys. We need to extract our pound of flesh. Why? They don't seem to "get it". They haven't LEARNED THE LESSON. They STILL don't get it!

And I mean, if it takes HARSH coercion to deliver the lesson, then so be it.

That lesson, is IMPORTANT. They need to learn, that there are CONSTRAINTS on their activities, that THEY MUST OBEY.

And failure to do so, will land them in JAIL.

JAIL, is where some of those people need to be.

Yes, indeed. I'm afraid this makes the picture VERY clear.

This is what I have been telling you all for a LONG time now, right?

The Republican Party is CORRUPT. It has a DISEASE. It is ILL. It is completely bankrupt, morally and in every other way that matters.

There are only TWO choices: EXCISE the cancer, or DIE.

One or the other, WILL happen. That is the law of nature.

I think you are naive about this whole topic.

Politics is a messy, very predictable and necessary business.

There will always be the thirst for power, the need for money and the close relationships between the two.

Wherever there is money and power, there will eventually be corruption.

The essential question is ALWAYS can we govern adequately or better while walking through the corruption, lust and mixed motives.

The cancer cannot be excised. It is part of the system. Bad policies and bad politicians will be flushed because that's how our system works.

But that badness knows no boundaries and it doesn't live in one category, group or party.

Goodness is everywhere. So is evil.

Get used to it. See the good. Be kind when there are small errors and necessary lies. Look to the heart of the man or woman and hope for the best.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

I think you are naive about this whole topic.

Politics is a messy, very predictable and necessary business.

There will always be the thirst for power, the need for money and the close relationships between the two.

Wherever there is money and power, there will eventually be corruption.

The essential question is ALWAYS can we govern adequately or better while walking through the corruption, lust and mixed motives.

The cancer cannot be excised. It is part of the system. Bad policies and bad politicians will be flushed because that's how our system works.

But that badness knows no boundaries and it doesn't live in one category, group or party.

Goodness is everywhere. So is evil.

Get used to it. See the good. Be kind when there are small errors and necessary lies. Look to the heart of the man or woman and hope for the best.

He's not naive about it. I was there in Marion County Florida working with the Ron Paul crowd and watched as the local Republican Club imploded and shred the dignity of their own members. The REC chairwoman was taking charity donations for her organization from the Sherrif at five grand per month, and she was married to the Ocala Star Banner's owner. Her charity organization never existed and you couldn't find a negative thing about the crooked sherrif anywhere in the local paper, which was a major news source for millions of elderly who have no truck with computers. Praise left and right, but even if his deputies screwed up, they never made print.

And that was just the start of things, when Republicans who represented Ron Paul officially got put on the docket to speak to the committee about organizing an area campaign, and the chairwoman suddenly adjourning the meeting and closing the assembly as the first one stepped up to speak, and the docket wasn't even half done. Every single time.

And that was some remote county in the deep south. According to the Meetup messages, the entire eastern seaboard was one big republican crook fest, and it's no wonder why Ron paul not only got locked out on the Republican side, but also the fact that Dennish Kucinich got locked out on the Democratic side just as evily. And they had their infighting too.

I feel very bad for Palin. Repubs know how to set up people for a huge fall if they put their minds to it.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

I think you are naive about this whole topic.

Politics is a messy, very predictable and necessary business.

There will always be the thirst for power, the need for money and the close relationships between the two.

Wherever there is money and power, there will eventually be corruption.

The essential question is ALWAYS can we govern adequately or better while walking through the corruption, lust and mixed motives.

The cancer cannot be excised. It is part of the system. Bad policies and bad politicians will be flushed because that's how our system works.

But that badness knows no boundaries and it doesn't live in one category, group or party.

Goodness is everywhere. So is evil.

Get used to it. See the good. Be kind when there are small errors and necessary lies. Look to the heart of the man or woman and hope for the best.

Yes. Good point. Well taken.

HOWEVER....

Mm.... how can I say this: hard-ball politics, is a "style". It's an "approach", a "modus operandi". People do it for different reasons. "Some" people, operate from a theoretical perspective. It's largely, ... um... I don't wanna say "amoral", but, let's say, that the "operational" aspects of the equation become more important than the "moral" aspects. In other words, the need is, to get something done, and you gotta find a way to do it.

See, so, the thing is, you don't STOP in your thought process, when you find the very first thing that you think will work.

I mean, I'm tryin' to say something kinda deep here, and I'm not sure I can even put it into words.

This is part of what I "see" in MODELS - this is why MODELS are so important.

The human brain, when it works, it has "resonances". These are, "preconceived models", you might call 'em. They're almost like "filters" that filter every incoming bit of sensory information. The stuff you see, that impinges on your senses, is "filtered" through your collection of pre-existing models, before it hits your thought process.

That "filtering" there, you can almost look at it like this: you know that little game at the carnival, where you're supposed to toss the softball into the milk cans? Okay, so, you've got five or six cans in front of you, and you can try to hit "any" of 'em, right?

Well, so, you can look at those milk cans, as the "pre-existing models", and your softball, as the "sensory information". Only what happens is, the milk cans have GRAVITY in your brain, so they "attract" the softball, as it's goin' on its way. So, like, if the softball ends up right exactly between two of the milk cans, there's going to be a "contest" between the gravity of those two pre-conceived models, and whichever one the softball ends up in, that's the one that'll take precedence in your thought process.

There is ALSO the possiblity that the result of this "tug of war" between the two preconceived gravitites, will result in an "unstable" condition in which the softball ends up in NEITHER of the two (or more) competing milk cans, and instead goes off into never-never land somewhere and misses all the milk cans ENTIRELY, and that, results in the brain wave known as a P-300, which in the vernacular has also been referred to as a "surprise event". The same thing happens when you read non-sensical words, so like, "I take my coffee with cream and dog", your mind kinda does a little double-take the first time you see those words. If you are "hearing" what's being said, and your mind "notices" it, you'll do the double-take. ON the other hand, it's also possible you're "not paying attention", in which case the words will go "in one ear and out the other", yes? See what I'm sayin'?

So, yes, it is true what you say. We do (and must) tolerate some "slop" in our implementation.

On the other hand, that is not an excuse for failing to tend to the machinery.

There is an engineering concept that is relevant: it is called "tolerance".

"Tolerance", is the specification that the designer gives to the machinist, when he says this screw has to be exactly one inch long, PLUS OR MINUS a mil.

What he's really saying there, is that if the deviation "exceeds tolerance", then the system as a whole may not function anymore.

I think THAT, is the relevant concept.

Hm...

So, this is why, I would disagree with your statement that "the cancer can not be excised".

Nah. Cancer, is a very serious thing. It often requires AGGRESSIVE treatment, if you the patient wishes to survive.

And I mean, it's the patient's choice, whether or not they wish to survive.

Sometimes. We should all BE so lucky, yes?

It seems to me, we're in LUCK this time. We have a CHOICE. Dig?

Just love to watch the rats come out of the bilges & eat each other as the Republican ship of state sinks quickly in the North Atlantic after being torpedoed by the American voter.:booty:

Originally Posted by Oberdan

He's not naive about it. I was there in Marion County Florida working with the Ron Paul crowd and watched as the local Republican Club imploded and shred the dignity of their own members. The REC chairwoman was taking charity donations for her organization from the Sherrif at five grand per month, and she was married to the Ocala Star Banner's owner. Her charity organization never existed and you couldn't find a negative thing about the crooked sherrif anywhere in the local paper, which was a major news source for millions of elderly who have no truck with computers. Praise left and right, but even if his deputies screwed up, they never made print.

And that was just the start of things, when Republicans who represented Ron Paul officially got put on the docket to speak to the committee about organizing an area campaign, and the chairwoman suddenly adjourning the meeting and closing the assembly as the first one stepped up to speak, and the docket wasn't even half done. Every single time.

And that was some remote county in the deep south. According to the Meetup messages, the entire eastern seaboard was one big republican crook fest, and it's no wonder why Ron paul not only got locked out on the Republican side, but also the fact that Dennish Kucinich got locked out on the Democratic side just as evily. And they had their infighting too.

I feel very bad for Palin. Repubs know how to set up people for a huge fall if they put their minds to it.

Yes. Hardball politics. This is an interesting thing. In the corporate world, I've come to associate that with a PATTERN that happens to companies.

Think of the life cycle of a company, right? Usually on the upswing it's gettin' bank loans based on new inventions, and times are good and all the employees are happy 'cause they're doin' cool stuff and they're being reasonably well taken care of -

But then in the middle there, we start gettin' the bean counters involved, and then the managers start gettin' a little wierd sometimes, 'cause now they're being held accountable to different standards, so the way they use "power" changes. They start doin' stuff like what you're talking about - setting people up for a fall if they're "politically disagreeable".

Then on the down-swing, we see the self-justification efforts, when it becomes patently clear that all kinds of screw-ups have happened (relative to expectations or standards). So, like, this is when you see the managers going to the research journals, and pulling out the statistics that say, "hey look guys, we're not really doing so bad, our rate of bugs is just about normal for y'r average software development project, look here....", and then, you know, they'll pull out some old thing from a Bell Labs research journal from the mid-70's or something, showing that their exact team is right in the MIDDLE of the expected curve... And I mean, this is also where you see the middle managers start to futz with the reporting methods and accounting methods, to make their successes seem better than they really are (or at least so they can "meet target" instead of "falling short").

So yeah, I mean, all this is pretty clearly to me, end-game stuff. You don't see this but right at the end of the game, when peoples' heads are about to roll and everyone knows it.

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

So yeah, I mean, all this is pretty clearly to me, end-game stuff. You don't see this but right at the end of the game, when peoples' heads are about to roll and everyone knows it.

Do you anticipate the rise of a viable third party as a result?

The Republicans have made their choice & that is to be the party of Caucasians only, right wing religious fanatics, the elderly & dumb/uneducated white trash.Obviously..........not a winning base for a national party anymore.

This country moved beyond them years ago....& they won't be missed! :therethere:

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

The cancer cannot be excised. It is part of the system. Bad policies and bad politicians will be flushed because that's how our system works.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

The whole reason the Republican party is where it is is their terrible campaign tactics and lack of conservatism. Sticking a social conservative on the ticket doesn't fill that void, especially when that person is not knowledgable on issues.

The McCain camp is pointing out now what so many of us saw from Palin's first interview. They don't have to pander now at this point, because the election is over.

No one knows what the Republican party is anymore because they are always too busy a) smearing someone in a campaign b) blaming democrats for every misstep and mistake they make c) constantly changing their PR strategies when the last one fails d) defending their unpopular and unconservative policies, like the economy and foreign policy.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

No one knows what the Republican party is anymore because they are always too busy a) smearing someone in a campaign b) blaming democrats for every misstep and mistake they make c) constantly changing their PR strategies when the last one fails d) defending their unpopular and unconservative policies, like the economy and foreign policy.

Yes. This is part of the Neo-Con cancer, the mind-set that says "act now and ask questions later".

Nah, that is WRONG. The correct answer is: checks and balances, and CONSENSUS.

It is a very VERY bad thing, to get locked into a particular model. Ask ANY psychologist or psychiatrist, they will tell you what the mental ramifications of such a thing are. (Hint: it has classifications in the DSM).

The Neo-Con mindset, is like a very BAD middle manager, caught in an impossible situation relative to expectations. That's EXACTLY how they behave. And I mean, they're using this "ideology" thing as an EXCUSE, for this AWFULLY IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR!!!

Our elected weasels, are NOT there to "act now and ask questions later".

Nah - those clowns work for US, not the other way around.

That is the whole POINT.

No one ever asked George W Bush to go torture anyone. He did that on his OWN, in contravention of EVERY SINGLE LAW KNOWN TO MAN!!!

That, is unacceptable. That is NOT representative government. That is ABUSE OF POWER, is what it is.

And, that is the problem with the Republican Party right now, in a nutshell: ABUSE OF POWER.

Power requires being RESPONSIBLE to those who have granted you the power. That's why it's called REPRESENTATIVE government - Of, By, and For the People.

NOT some scumbag Neo-Cons who just wanna get rich and move to Dubai with all my tax money.

The more I think about this, the more Devil seems right. We need to make EXAMPLES out of some of these clowns. ln fact, here - I have an idea - let's go snatch some of THEM off the streets of Dubai, and whisk them away to the Lower East Side or a particular section of Detroit I'm thinkin' about - where they are CERTAIN to be tortured...... Let's do THAT, and then maybe it will register upon THEM, the magnitude of the transgression they've just committed against the American People and humanity at large.

Pal, that is BANKRUPT morality, right? See what I'm sayin'? If your morality is the first thing that goes out the window when you got a problem, then I suggest, that you're really NOT fit to be a representative of the American People. I would HOPE, that We the People are more "conscious" than that, to where we would sell our souls in the name of a few pennies. Benedict Arnold did that, and I mean, he is NOT a well liked figure in history.