Thread: Obama Acorn problem meltdown

So Obama is now claiming he had no relationship with ACORN, did not work for them.

As seems to be the usual case with Obama the facts don't agree with his statements. And the cover up begins. How many post before Nick has to pull out his last bullet? His proverbial "well why does it matter anyway?"

Obama Acorn Cover-up? [Stanley Kurtz]


Barack Obama is now apparently denying his ties with Acorn. Here’s what he’s posted on the subject at his "Fight the Smears" website. These claims are contradicted by several sources, a number of which I linked to in my piece, "Inside Obama’s Acorn." In that piece, you’ll find a link to a Los Angeles Times piece in which Chicago Acorn leader Madeline Talbott is described as so impressed with Obama that "she invited him to help train her staff." You’ll also see a link to a statement by Obama himself, made in pursuit of Acorn’s endorsement. Obama says: "I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work." In my piece, "No Liberation," you’ll find a link to a 1995 profile of Obama which says: "Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side." My articles provide background, but the quotes and links I’ve presented here, and in the past, pretty conclusively contradict Obama’s current claims at "Fight the Smears."

Perhaps the strongest evidence against Obama’s attempt to deny his ties to Acorn comes in an article by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago Acorn leader, and a member of Acorn’s National Association Board, in the journal Social Policy. That article appears on pages 49-52 of the combined Winter 2003-Spring 2004 issue, Vol. 34, No. 2, Vol. 34, No. 3. I provide a link to a pay-for-access page to that article in my "Inside Obama’s Acorn" piece. As I’ve just been informed by a reader, however, the journal Social Policy appears to have pulled the link to that article, rendering it inaccessible, even by purchase. You can find the apparently pulled link here.

A link to a second article also appears to have been pulled here. I was previously unaware of this second article, "Towards a Chicago School of Youth Organizing," by Alyson Parham and Jeff Pinzino. I would strongly suggest that people try to find this article in hard copy at a library. (What is it about Obama and libraries?)

The Toni Foulkes piece clearly contradicts Obama’s denials of ties to Acorn at "Fight the Smears." Here’s a key passage:

Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992...Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5000 of them)...

Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus, it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. [Actually, the congressional race was in 2000, SK] By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends.

Has Social Policy blocked access to those two articles to protect Obama? Was the Obama campaign involved? How does Barack Obama explain his denials of a link to Acorn in light of the evidence? Shouldn’t the press be asking him about this?

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Originally Posted by Stinger

So Obama is now claiming he had no relationship with ACORN, did not work for them.

As seems to be the usual case with Obama the facts don't agree with his statements. And the cover up begins. How many post before Nick has to pull out his last bullet? His proverbial "well why does it matter anyway?"

Obama Acorn Cover-up? [Stanley Kurtz]

Here is more about Stanley Kurtz
Michelle Malkin � Next, the Obama thugs came for Stanley Kurtz

I can't believe the sources you use Sting. I'm gonna start quoting the Huffington Post, MoveOn.org, and Daily KOS.

That is how far right you've gone. There is less and less of Stinger everytime you do that. There is way more right wing shill vommit to your posts than Stinger's opinion. With all due respect, at what point are you just spamming Conservia to us all?

the first part of this article is all i need to know about it:

-obama claims on his website that he never participated in the training of anyone at acorn.

thats "refuted" in this piece by a single quote of madeleine talbot, that she was so impressed with obama, that she INVITED him to help train her staff.

ok...and? she invited him. so? thats supposed to refute obamas claim that he didn't train anyone at acorn? obama didn't say he was never INVITED to train at acorn. he said he didn't. and the evidence doesn't show otherwise.

as a side note, the author of this piece doesn't even spell talbots first name correctly, even though he quotes the latimes article. not very professional.

Originally Posted by Goldwater

I can't believe the sources you use Sting. ?

But I can believe how lame your reponses are.

Refute the facts.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

the first part of this article is all i need to know about it:

-obama claims on his website that he never participated in the training of anyone at acorn.

thats "refuted" in this piece by a single quote of madeleine talbot, that she was so impressed with obama, that she INVITED him to help train her staff.

ok...and? she invited him. so? thats supposed to refute obamas claim that he didn't train anyone at acorn? obama didn't say he was never INVITED to train at acorn. he said he didn't. and the evidence doesn't show otherwise.

as a side note, the author of this piece doesn't even spell talbots first name correctly, even though he quotes the latimes article. not very professional.

Obama Ran ACORN Power Training Classes


And they in turn helped get him elected.
From the Winter 2003 issue of Social Policy:

(Click to enlarge)
Case Study: Chicago-The Barack Obama Campaign

ACORN’s history of nonpartisan electoral work (voter registration and voter turnout) and leadership development combined during the March, 2004 primary season to make a big difference in the level of participation of our communities in that important election.

Obama Ran ACORN Power Training Classes | Sweetness & Light

Nick, it's high time you checked out the veracity of your assertions before you post them and stop wasting everyones time proving them wrong.

So back to Obama's serious problem with telling the truth about his associations and who and what those associations are.

Originally Posted by Stinger

But I can believe how lame your reponses are.

Refute the facts.

You're just never going to get it Stinger. You provide biased evidence, then ask me to disprove the biased "facts" you offered.

You haven't provided any usable evidence. Your rocket is still on the launchpad. No batters on base, and getting cranky about it all is...unfortunate for you.

Originally Posted by Goldwater

Here is more about Stanley Kurtz
Michelle Malkin � Next, the Obama thugs came for Stanley Kurtz

I can't believe the sources you use Sting. I'm gonna start quoting the Huffington Post, MoveOn.org, and Daily KOS.

That is how far right you've gone. There is less and less of Stinger everytime you do that. There is way more right wing shill vommit to your posts than Stinger's opinion. With all due respect, at what point are you just spamming Conservia to us all?

Such EVIL LINKS.

When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”

Why, that dastardly Stinger. He finds quotes from Obama hisself - on his own website, even - bragging about how much he's done to promote ACORN's agenda, and you get your panties ripped because left wing sources won't show you what Obama says on his own website and people have to look for someone less dishonest to find them.

Originally Posted by Goldwater

You're just never going to get it Stinger. You provide biased evidence, then ask me to disprove the biased "facts" you offered.

Obama's own words on his own website is "biased"...against Obama?

Originally Posted by Stinger

Obama Ran ACORN Power Training Classes


And they in turn helped get him elected.
From the Winter 2003 issue of Social Policy:

(Click to enlarge)
Case Study: Chicago-The Barack Obama Campaign

ACORN’s history of nonpartisan electoral work (voter registration and voter turnout) and leadership development combined during the March, 2004 primary season to make a big difference in the level of participation of our communities in that important election.

Obama Ran ACORN Power Training Classes | Sweetness & Light

Nick, it's high time you checked out the veracity of your assertions before you post them and stop wasting everyones time proving them wrong.

So back to Obama's serious problem with telling the truth about his associations and who and what those associations are.

ok, you're right. i was wrong. obama is a huge blatant liar.

oh well. i'm still voting for him.

Once again, a big SO WHAT?