Thread: The war and the recession

My mom used to be a republican but now she's a democrat. She was a former republican because republican Presidents didn't start wars. That is no longer true. Now the republican Presidents are the ones who start wars. Barack Obama is the only one who can end this war.

What do George Bush and John McCain have in common? They both have violent tempers, they give tax breaks to the rich, they want the war to continue and neither of them can end this recession.

Many people recently lost their jobs because of this recession. Who will lose their job next? It might be you. How will you support your family if you're unemployed? This could happen if McCain wins.

Do you have loved ones who are in the military or who are planning to join the military? If McCain wins, they may die in the war. I don't want that to happen and neither do you.

If we elect Obama, he'll stop this war that we shouldn't be in. He will also end this recession.

I don't want this damn war to drag on until 2012 or 2016. If McCain wins, the war will last that long.

McCain plans to give the oil companies a several million dollar tax break. Gas prices won't go down when McCain will be lining the oil companies pockets with money. He plans to give tax breaks to many other rich people too.

Barack Obama will stop the war, end this recession and stop gas prices from rising. Obama is the only hope for this country.

Whether Obama will stop the war, time will tell. The truth is, the war must end. We're basically policing a fight between the Sunni's and the Shia's. We won the war, Hussein is dead and they have a democratically elected government. Yes there is violence, but there's been violence between these groups since Muhammed split the religion 1,500 years ago, it's not going to stop now, it's not going to stop ever. It's time for American forces to get out, if we leave Al Qaeda will leave, or they can face the wrath of 18,000,000 Shia's in Iraq.

If Obama really does pull the troops out, then that's an estimated 120,000,000,000 the US is not spending in Iraq, they can use that money to invest in American infrastructure, Health Care, Education, etc. On top of that, the American military in Iraq uses the same amount of oil as a small country, therefore less demand for oil, prices will go down, probably not by a substantial margin, but enough to feel it at the pump. It's time to focus on American issues, instead of Iraqi and Israeli intrests.

Oh and yes we should stop supporting Isael, they have more than enough weapons and money to take care of themselves. Our continued support for Israel and our presence in the Middle East will only anger muslim fundamentalists and open the US up for more attacks. We leave them alone, they'll leave us alone.

Barack Obama will likely start war with Pakistan and will definitely escalate war in Afghanistan. Obama will not end the occupation of Iraq.

McCain and Obama have identical economic policies. They will both turn the recession into a depression and destroy America domestically and abroad.

Your points have no merit. If you don't like Republicans, don't vote for them. But don't pretend the Democrats are any better.

McCain and Obama have somewhat different foreign policies that will reach the same end: more war. That was clearly seen on the 2nd pres debate. Obama's strategy is to just shift troops and funding to Afghanistan and then maybe move into Pakistan.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

My mom used to be a republican but now she's a democrat. She was a former republican because republican Presidents didn't start wars. That is no longer true. Now the republican Presidents are the ones who start wars. Barack Obama is the only one who can end this war.

Welcome to PH, great thread. Brings up an interesting point about this election.

See guys there is another reason to switch party lines other than not want to accept responsibility for our failed elected leader like is spoken of libertarians. I for one couldn't agree more with any other reason to switch then seeing a president you had even the tiniest ounce of faith in take us to war in Iraq. Neo-con or not I never could respect another die hard republican. (psst don't mention RP or I'll tell you why he isn't a republican.)

Barak Obama cannot end wars. It will be a collection of many heads and it will be up to people who actually hand the country off. Barak if elected, may oversee this but he himself will not even be able to handle the task that others have worked for since the beginning. Also all this while taking our troops (more) into Afgan...

What do George Bush and John McCain have in common? They both have violent tempers, they give tax breaks to the rich, they want the war to continue and neither of them can end this recession.

Many people recently lost their jobs because of this recession. Who will lose their job next? It might be you. How will you support your family if you're unemployed? This could happen if McCain wins.

Do you have loved ones who are in the military or who are planning to join the military? If McCain wins, they may die in the war. I don't want that to happen and neither do you.

If we elect Obama, he'll stop this war that we shouldn't be in. He will also end this recession.

I don't want this damn war to drag on until 2012 or 2016. If McCain wins, the war will last that long.

McCain plans to give the oil companies a several million dollar tax break. Gas prices won't go down when McCain will be lining the oil companies pockets with money. He plans to give tax breaks to many other rich people too.

Barack Obama will stop the war, end this recession and stop gas prices from rising. Obama is the only hope for this country.

You can't invest that much energy and trust into any single politician. We must do a lot of this work ourselves as a unified country and LET the politicians oversee and moderate/delagate the entire process. When the country does more than just vote for change, then troops will come home, mistakes will be found and brought to light, people will be held accountable, the media will report and not spin, and the majority of this country can finally demand more for their investment that is ripped from your paycheck.

When you speak of Obama, you speak of him controlling private organizations and companies because the people buy too much of their product? And it costs too much? This bounces down the line because trucks actually have to use this same energy resource to bring us all our MP3 players, Dr. Peppers, and Wal-Mart bullshit, that we end up also paying for, willingly. How about we control ourselves and stop being so dependant on these companies, and these resources and do for ourselves in concert with the government? Why does it have to be the dreams of one man who happened to offer a good solution in words alone?

In my mind, fuck them. We don't need to concern ourselves with politicians until we as a nation of people, the supposed greatest nation ever, and agree on SOMETHING! Or at least learn to compromise even if you don't like doing that. You have to compromise in life sometimes so why not make it suitable?

Barak Obama, McCain, Paul, Clinton, none of these guys are going to be able to do a good job for the nation as a whole without us keeping them in check. We don't do that and we get not only George Bush, but an utter travesty when it comes to choices for someone to replace him.

Originally Posted by johnflesh

Welcome to PH, great thread. Brings up an interesting point about this election.

See guys there is another reason to switch party lines other than not want to accept responsibility for our failed elected leader like is spoken of libertarians. I for one couldn't agree more with any other reason to switch then seeing a president you had even the tiniest ounce of faith in take us to war in Iraq. Neo-con or not I never could respect another die hard republican. (psst don't mention RP or I'll tell you why he isn't a republican.)

Barak Obama cannot end wars. It will be a collection of many heads and it will be up to people who actually hand the country off. Barak if elected, may oversee this but he himself will not even be able to handle the task that others have worked for since the beginning. Also all this while taking our troops (more) into Afgan...

You can't invest that much energy and trust into any single politician. We must do a lot of this work ourselves as a unified country and LET the politicians oversee and moderate/delagate the entire process. When the country does more than just vote for change, then troops will come home, mistakes will be found and brought to light, people will be held accountable, the media will report and not spin, and the majority of this country can finally demand more for their investment that is ripped from your paycheck.

When you speak of Obama, you speak of him controlling private organizations and companies because the people buy too much of their product? And it costs too much? This bounces down the line because trucks actually have to use this same energy resource to bring us all our MP3 players, Dr. Peppers, and Wal-Mart bullshit, that we end up also paying for, willingly. How about we control ourselves and stop being so dependant on these companies, and these resources and do for ourselves in concert with the government? Why does it have to be the dreams of one man who happened to offer a good solution in words alone?

In my mind, fuck them. We don't need to concern ourselves with politicians until we as a nation of people, the supposed greatest nation ever, and agree on SOMETHING! Or at least learn to compromise even if you don't like doing that. You have to compromise in life sometimes so why not make it suitable?

Barak Obama, McCain, Paul, Clinton, none of these guys are going to be able to do a good job for the nation as a whole without us keeping them in check. We don't do that and we get not only George Bush, but an utter travesty when it comes to choices for someone to replace him.

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Couldn't just acronym that one, an excellent reply and I agree with 100%

Originally Posted by johnflesh

In my mind, fuck them. We don't need to concern ourselves with politicians until we as a nation of people, the supposed greatest nation ever, and agree on SOMETHING! Or at least learn to compromise even if you don't like doing that. You have to compromise in life sometimes so why not make it suitable?

Johnflesh, we HAVE that compromise already. It's called, the Constitution of the United States. Seems to me, if everyone just adhered to the AGREEMENT, then things would be a lot peachier than they are.

You're talking about agreeing on "something"? Those are the principles - that IS what we agree on. Isn't it? Or I mean, did something go wrong, and we have to fight this revolution all over again?

'Cause I mean, the next time around, we're not going to be able to do any better. You're going to need to get Tick, and Davocrat, and Defensor, and me, and yourself and all the rest of us, to put our John Hancocks on that piece of paper - and I mean, if you think you can come up with something better, be my guest. In fact, why wait? Let's do it NOW, and push it through as a series of amendments!

I don't think I see this in terms of "learning how to compromise". I see this, more in terms of "remembering basic principles".

Originally Posted by johnflesh

Barak Obama, McCain, Paul, Clinton, none of these guys are going to be able to do a good job for the nation as a whole without us keeping them in check. We don't do that and we get not only George Bush, but an utter travesty when it comes to choices for someone to replace him.

Amen. These guys have been getting a FREE PASS!!! No one's watching the chickens anymore. Clinton's gettin' hummers, Bushie's gettin' his jollies in a different way, and I mean, the next guy isn't lookin' too good right now either. And I'd be even LESS happy with the thought of a President Biden, or (God forbid) a President Palin.

My opinion is, that Congress has been ENTIRELY falling down on the job. It's THEIR job to keep the President in check. They're supposed to be the Voice of the People, goddamit - and instead, they're the voice of who-knows-which special-interest-du-jour.

And here we have the political opposition, just BENDING OVER for a guy who's committed a crime SO SERIOUS that we've actually executed people for it. It's not even murder - it's a crime against HUMANITY - it's WORSE than murder!!! And here's the Dems taking the option of prosecution "off the table". What a bunch of spineless gutless cowards. That rotten bastard Bush has half of America convinced he's actually an American. Must be that idiotic flag pin that's got 'em fooled, I don't know....

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

My mom used to be a republican but now she's a democrat.

Have you rushed to the hospital? Radical personality change is often a sign of brain injury.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

She was a former republican because republican Presidents didn't start wars. That is no longer true.

Yeah, the Demcorats voted nearly unanimously along with the Republicans.

Besides which, Bush is a liberal. That trumps "republican" and "repbulic" every time.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

Now the republican Presidents are the ones who start wars. Barack Obama is the only one who can end this war.

Right. Since the surge worked and the troop deployments are now being scaled back, ONLY Obama can finish the job.

See? This is why women and socialists shouldn't be allowed to vote in free countries.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

What do George Bush and John McCain have in common? They both have violent tempers, they give tax breaks to the rich, they want the war to continue and neither of them can end this recession.

Well, Bush can't end the recession, it only just started, and he just won't be in office long enough.

Obama's gonna raise taxes on everyone, and that's one of the best cures for prosperity there's ever been invented. We certainly expect Obama's policies to cure the nation of that evil prosperity as quickly as possible.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

Many people recently lost their jobs because of this recession. Who will lose their job next? It might be you. How will you support your family if you're unemployed? This could happen if McCain wins.

It will happen of Obama wins. Or don't you understand the relationship between taxation and economic collapse?

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

Do you have loved ones who are in the military or who are planning to join the military? If McCain wins, they may die in the war. I don't want that to happen and neither do you.

People who join the military are adults legally entitled to control their destinies.

Given that Obama doesn't have a clue what the proper uses of the military are, it won't be long before those boys are dying Darfur and crashing in the Congo.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

If we elect Obama, he'll stop this war that we shouldn't be in. He will also end this recession.

I think, before he can do that, he has to climb down off the cross and get buried for three days. That time in the graveyard will get him some really good connections to get the dead out to vote for him.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

I don't want this damn war to drag on until 2012 or 2016. If McCain wins, the war will last that long.

If that's what it needs to be, que sera sera. The goal of war is WINNING.

Giving up is not victory.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

McCain plans to give the oil companies a several million dollar tax break. Gas prices won't go down when McCain will be lining the oil companies pockets with money. He plans to give tax breaks to many other rich people too.

Gas prices are certainly not going to go down if Nancy Pelosi's policy of absolutely no drilling is permitted to continue, as it shall under an Obie Administration.

Gotta figure that if we don't get the oil out of the ground we can't turn it into gasoline, right?

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

Barack Obama will stop the war, end this recession and stop gas prices from rising. Obama is the only hope for this country.

I bet you've got your prayer rug all worn out, and your knee pads, too, praying sixteen times to Chicago every day as you do.

Originally Posted by johnflesh

See guys there is another reason to switch party lines other than not want to accept responsibility for our failed elected leader like is spoken of libertarians. I for one couldn't agree more with any other reason to switch then seeing a president you had even the tiniest ounce of faith in take us to war in Iraq. Neo-con or not I never could respect another die hard republican. (psst don't mention RP or I'll tell you why he isn't a republican.)

Right.

Makes perfect sense.

The president who leaving office, so change parties so you don't feel obligated to vote for him.

Well, actually, it's sounds perfectly batty. But it's what's expected of Obiemaniacs.

Originally Posted by randyjohnson

Barack Obama will stop the war, end this recession and stop gas prices from rising. Obama is the only hope for this country.

Obama is false hope for this country and those that know better know not to place any faith in policies that will sabotage the free market. Obama's policies will increase energy and health care costs and reduce innovation in both areas. Obama will increase corporate taxes and regulation which will decrease jobs, up unemployment, encourage more and more companies to look into overseas labor markets, decrease federal revenue, and place undue burdens and obstacles on small business. Senator Obama represents a fantastic jump from American Liberalism to American Socialism, where the Federal Government will begin nationalizing large portions of the US economy. Listen to his threats about what the American people will have to sacrifice under his rule.