Thread: Biden Meets With Saakashvili, Pledges American Support

Originally Posted by michaelr

Are you nuts? Are you saying that Iraq had a million plus army.

No, and what difference does the size of the Iraqi army in late 2001 make to this argument?

Originally Posted by michaelr

Speak of irrational! We killed or are responsible for 100s of thousands of civilians, we torture, we kidnap, were in shit deep of evil.

Sectarian violence and terrorist activities was responsible for the bulk of collateral civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thos instances of coalition misuse of force have been investigated and arrests have been made.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Reread my post and show me where I said Russians weren't thugs, I just think we have enough of our shit to clean up before casting stones and starting more unnecessary wars of aggression.

Here you go Mike. Keep up your irrational rooting for anyone who's anti-US.

Originally Posted by michaelr
You have to be kidding me, man Iraq alone equals Chechnya, we killing in Pakistan now, and support AQ attacks in Iran. I wont even touch Africa, hells bells. Secondly it is the US, NATO, and Georgia that is provoking Russia, hell it's to the point Russia felt the need to place ships and aircraft in the hemisphere. I think shits about ready to hit the fan, and I think is is extremely important to cut through the lies and look at whats really happening. I am no big fan of Russia, but I don't see them as evil either.

Originally Posted by michaelr
Are you dizzy, explain one time why the Russian's are thugs.

Originally Posted by Bourne

No, and what difference does the size of the Iraqi army in late 2001 make to this argument?



Sectarian violence and terrorist activities was responsible for the bulk of collateral civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thos instances of coalition misuse of force have been investigated and arrests have been made.



Here you go Mike. Keep up your irrational rooting for anyone who's anti-US.

I think you have finally flipped. We are responsible for the deaths since the invasion. We are there illegally.

I still do not see where I did not say they weren't thugs..here is what I did say, now try to read the words..I agree that Russia has been heavy handed in Chechnya,
So again tour wrong, you must get extra points for that!

Originally Posted by michaelr

I think you have finally flipped. We are responsible for the deaths since the invasion. We are there illegally.

We're not responsible for all of the deaths post invasion. As I've said, terrorism and sectarian violence accounts for the bulk of civilian collateral deaths. Trying to infere that the coalition is responsible for every death simply because we're in Iraq is foolish and irresponsible Mike.

Originally Posted by michaelr

I still do not see where I did not say they weren't thugs..here is what I did say, now try to read the words..I agree that Russia has been heavy handed in Chechnya,
So again tour wrong, you must get extra points for that!

I posted your direct quotes which speak for themselves Mike.

Originally Posted by Bourne

We're not responsible for all of the deaths post invasion. As I've said, terrorism and sectarian violence accounts for the bulk of civilian collateral deaths. Trying to infere that the coalition is responsible for every death simply because we're in Iraq is foolish and irresponsible Mike.



I posted your direct quotes which speak for themselves Mike.

Sure Bourne live in your made up world where everyone else is responsible for the for the errors of this administration, anything that makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Sure Bourne live in your made up world where everyone else is responsible for the for the errors of this administration, anything that makes you feel better.

You apparently haven't a reasonable counter argument Mike, just the usual watery insult and I hate the US rhetoric. So let's get back on topic, shall we?

Biden's foreign policy expertise combined with Obama's foresight and leadership will definitely solidify our alliances, especially in the former Soviet republics.

Originally Posted by Bourne

You apparently haven't a reasonable counter argument Mike, just the usual watery insult and I hate the US rhetoric. So let's get back on topic, shall we?

Biden's foreign policy expertise combined with Obama's foresight and leadership will definitely solidify our alliances, especially in the former Soviet republics.

So why didn't Biden, with all his foreign policy "expertise", seem to be aware of the acknowledged fact that his close buddy Mikheil Saakashvili ordered a SNEAK ATTACK on South Ossetia intended to provoke Russia?

Originally Posted by michaelr

Sure Bourne live in your made up world where everyone else is responsible for the for the errors of this administration, anything that makes you feel better.

Isn't it interesting how seamless Bourne's transition is between Obamaniac and Bush apologist?

Originally Posted by Defensor

So why didn't Biden, with all his foreign policy "expertise", seem to be aware of the acknowledged fact that his close buddy Mikheil Saakashvili ordered a SNEAK ATTACK on South Ossetia intended to provoke Russia?

Because Georgia's action wasn't a "sneak attack" designed to provoke Russia. Indeed, Russia's response was calculated an disproportionate.

U.S. official: Russia's attack on Georgia is 'disproportionate' - CNN.com

Originally Posted by Defensor

Isn't it interesting how seamless Bourne's transition is between Obamaniac and Bush apologist?

I hate to insult the bipolar people but I think Bourne fits that category.

Originally Posted by Bourne

Because Georgia's action wasn't a "sneak attack" designed to provoke Russia. Indeed, Russia's response was calculated an disproportionate.

U.S. official: Russia's attack on Georgia is 'disproportionate' - CNN.com

So we can safely ignore the record of historical FACT because some unnamed Bush "official" claimed Russia's DEFENSIVE response was "disproportionate?" Sinking to new lows on the logic scale, Bourne.

However I can see why you would trust these "officials," since the Bush administration has been so honest and forthright thus far. :sarcasm:


If the shoe were on the other foot, and Americans were being killed in sneak attacks right along our border, you know the U.S. would stop at nothing but total takeover and "regime change." The Russians deserve much praise for their reserved response to such a heinous crime by Saakashvili.