Thread: Welcome to the final stages of the Coup

Welcome to the final stages of the coup... posted 09/21/2008, 12:48 AM (Larisa Alexandrovna)
[Category: Commentary]

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. - Julius Caesar

In 2000, the long fought for and long admired democracy of the United States of America began a slow and steady decline toward fascism - a Bush family tradition - with the installment of a president - a man the citizens overwhelmingly rejected (although the funny math told a still believed myth) - by a few corrupt judges on the US Supreme Court. That coup is now nearly complete and checkmate is all but unavoidable.

Let me first point you to the Bush administration's so-called Wall Street bailout bill, here, so that you can see for yourself that this treachery is being conducted in the light of day. Fascism is finally and formally out of the right-wing closet even if the F word is not yet openly being used (although it should be, and often).

Now, if you do not yet understand that the Wall Street crisis is a man-made disaster done through intentional deregulation and corruption, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell to you (or Sara Palin does anyway). This manufactured crisis is now to be remedied, if the fiscal fascists get their way, with the total transfer of Congressional powers (the few that still remain) to the Executive Branch and the total transfer of public funds into corporate (via government as intermediary) hands.

Adam Davidson of NPR blogs about the so-called bailout bill as follows:

I would guess that this has to be one of the biggest peacetime transfers of po... (more)

MichaelR, you will enjoy this read. (or probably not)

Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Welcome to the final stages of the coup... posted 09/21/2008, 12:48 AM (Larisa Alexandrovna)
[Category: Commentary]

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it. - Julius Caesar

In 2000, the long fought for and long admired democracy of the United States of America began a slow and steady decline toward fascism - a Bush family tradition - with the installment of a president - a man the citizens overwhelmingly rejected (although the funny math told a still believed myth) - by a few corrupt judges on the US Supreme Court. That coup is now nearly complete and checkmate is all but unavoidable.

Let me first point you to the Bush administration's so-called Wall Street bailout bill, here, so that you can see for yourself that this treachery is being conducted in the light of day. Fascism is finally and formally out of the right-wing closet even if the F word is not yet openly being used (although it should be, and often).

Now, if you do not yet understand that the Wall Street crisis is a man-made disaster done through intentional deregulation and corruption, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell to you (or Sara Palin does anyway). This manufactured crisis is now to be remedied, if the fiscal fascists get their way, with the total transfer of Congressional powers (the few that still remain) to the Executive Branch and the total transfer of public funds into corporate (via government as intermediary) hands.

Adam Davidson of NPR blogs about the so-called bailout bill as follows:

I would guess that this has to be one of the biggest peacetime transfers of po... (more)

MichaelR, you will enjoy this read. (or probably not)

Leftist drivel, and as with all leftist drivel it is long on propoganda and short on substance. That is actually how you spot leftist drivel.

Tick, let me ask you a question:

Everyone's saying this is a "crisis" we're having, right?

And, "all hell will break loose if we don't act now".

Well... has anyone ever explained to you, what kind of "hell" they're talking about?

Has anyone ever told you SPECIFICALLY what would have happened if they'd put FNMA under Chapter protection for bankruptcy?

Hm.... didn't think so.....

Yes they had to do something. It might work. It might not. I agree it was engineered. Whether the building of it was intentional or not, I don't truly know. I hope not. But on the other hand if the last few leaders were so inept, that scares me too.

There is much Much MUCH more than meets the eye, in all this.

Hmm.... what's the first rule of good detective work?

FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL, right?

This crisis is about MONEY, right? Okay, then...

That's a slightly different concept from "the coup". So, what would we need, to draw any kind of causal link between the two? Hm... well, let's set our standards a little lower - let's first see, if we can find a CORRELATION, and then IF we get that far, we'll consider likelihoods and causation and all that stuff.

So, now, here's an interesting one, check this out - you remember the whole "Al Qaeda amnesty" thing that was floatin' around for a while there, yes? Well, lookie here - this guy here, his name is Khaled al-Harbi (real name Abu Sulaiman al-Makki), he's the one on the right, in these shots:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._bin_laden.jpg

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/siteb...en_video_1.JPG

There's an interesting story behind this guy. After 9/11, he became "wanted". He then surrended, in Iran! The Saudis said, "sure, send him back", and he's now living in Saudi Arabia, a free man.

US intelligence, says this guy is "insignificant". The official line is, he's some kind of "spiritual adviser" and not of any operational signiicance.

Hm... but now... something interesting here: LOOK AT THE DATES.

Look at the dates:

Harbi surrendered on or about July 11, 2004.

Khaled Sheik-Mohammed, was waterboarded on or about May 7, 2004.

That's ONE MONTH, after the Bush administration is telling us they finally broke KSM and figured out "most" of what was going on with OBL's people.

With me so far? Well, look what else was happening right then: this is April 2004.

April 7, 2004 (approximately): 60 Minutes II acquires photos authenticating Abu Ghraib story.
Mid-April, 2004: General Myers calls Dan Rather to ask him to delay story.
Mid-April, 2004: Taguba begins to brief officers on his report ("weeks" before his May 6 meeting with Rummy).
April 28, 2004: Hamdi and Padilla argued before SCOTUS. Paul Clement assures the Court that we don't torture. 60 Minutes breaks Abu Ghraib story and proves he's wrong.
May 2004 (within days after Abu Ghraib becomes public): CIA briefing for Addington, Bellinger, and Gonzales on torture tapes.
May 6, 2004: Taguba meets with Rummy, Wolfowitz, Cambone, Myers, and others

In the meeting, the officials professed ignorance about Abu Ghraib. "Could you tell us what happened?" Wolfowitz asked.
[snip]
“Here I am,” Taguba recalled Rumsfeld saying, “just a Secretary of Defense, and we have not seen a copy of your report. I have not seen the photographs, and I have to testify to Congress tomorrow and talk about this.”

May 7, 2004: Rummy testifies before Congress on Abu Ghraib.
May 7, 2004: CIA OIG draft report on interrogation techniques. Though this document is heavily redacted, reports say the investigation found interrogation techniques constitute cruel and inhuman treatment.
May 10 2004: Sy Hersh's Abu Ghraib story.


So, we have May 7, 2004 - the very DAY that Rummy testified before the Congress! The very DAY that the CIA issued their first report on interrogation techniques. Hm....

You see where this is going, yes? This isn't about terrorists, pal. This is about MONEY!!!

I'll tell you one thing for sure, some of this stuff stinks to high heaven.

I want these rotten bastards in Washington to TELL ME THE TRUTH.

Our Congress is FALLING DOWN ON THE JOB right now - they're about to give this guy Bush UNLIMITED AND UNCHECKED POWER over the entire financial sector of the United States economy. Which, when you really think about it, is the WHOLE kit and kaboodle. He who controls Wall Street, also controls Main Street.

So, voici - a crisis, followed by emergency measures, followed by a "solution" that changes the structure of the game board.

This particular game, is as OLD AS THE SUN. Ain't it?

No. I guess I'm dense or it's getting late. But I don't get a correlation with money.
And I'm very interested in understanding what you meant.

Originally Posted by SuperDem

No. I guess I'm dense or it's getting late. But I don't get a correlation with money.
And I'm very interested in understanding what you meant.

He he - I was countin' the micro-seconds to see how long it would take someone to ask. Well done!

So, here's a little more (this is gonna take a couple more posts to get to the "money" part), but there's definitely some kinda pot of gold at the end of the rainbow here, so, hm....

Check this: so, this guy - al-Makki - he was in Bosnia, during the 90's, when we were there. Remember - this is the guy the CIA says is a "harmless spiritual adviser", and "not really a problem", right?

Well,

• During the 1980s, Abu Sulaiman al-Makki joined the foreign guerillas gathering in Afghanistan and gained a reputation as a veteran and respected fighter. Al-Qaida documents indicate that Abu Sulaiman served in “the company of [the Martyr] Sheikh Abdullah Azzam.” Azzam was the initial founder of Al-Qaida and Usama Bin Laden’s first spiritual mentor.

• In August 1992, Abu Sulaiman al-Makki joined a group of Saudi Arab-Afghans and traveled to Bosnia-Herzegovina, ostensibly to help the embattled Muslims of the Balkans. Among his compatriots was Abu Abdel Aziz “Barbaros”, an infamous Arab-Afghan military leader who became the “amir” or commander of the Arab-Afghan mujahideen in Bosnia. At about this time, Abu Abdel Aziz “Barbaros” told other senior Al-Qaida members gathered at a meeting in Zagreb, Croatia that Al-Qaida’s primary goal in Bosnia “was to establish a base for operations in Europe against al Qaeda’s true enemy, the United States.”

• In early September 1992, Abu Sulaiman al-Makki and Abu Abdel Aziz “Barbaros” led a group of 43 predominantly Saudi mujahideen into combat against Serb forces in central Bosnia. Among the other prominent members of this unit was Abu Asim al-Makki (Mohammed Hamdi al-Ahdal), now considered one of the central conspirators behind the October 2000 bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen.

• During combat operations near Tesanj, Abu Sulaiman al-Makki was “sprayed” by automatic weapons fire as he dashed across the battlefield to recover the body of another “martyred” Saudi volunteer soldier. Though he was seriously injured and was near death, Abu Sulaiman was at last recovered by his compatriots and carried to safety. A few days afterwards, though he ultimately survived his injuries, Shaykh Abu Sulaiman lost feeling and movement in his legs and was permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

• Following the end of the Bosnian war in 1995, Abu Sulaiman al-Makki reportedly stayed on in Bosnia and settled in the small local fundamentalist community of Bocinja Donja. He helped establish an Islamic “relief organization” in the Tuzla area, providing charitable and religious assistance to both local Bosnians and Arab-Afghan fighters based in the Balkans. Abu Sulaiman publicly stated in Bosnian media in 1996 that cells of Arab-Afghan mujahideen remained actively deployed in Tuzla, Zenica, Sarajevo, Konjic, and Bihac.

• In late 1997, Bosnian authorities issued arrest warrants for 19 men wanted in connection with recent acts of violence. Abu Sulaiman al-Makki, named as one of the 19, was accused by the Bosnians of having provided refuge and a safehouse to several dangerous fugitives. The alleged terrorists included an Algerian national later implicated in a plot to suicide crash private aircraft into NATO military bases in the Balkans and southeastern Europe.

• In December 2001, Abu Sulaiman suddenly reappeared in a videotape produced by Usama Bin Laden in which the latter took credit for organizing and financing the September 11 suicide hijackings. The two men, sitting on the floor together in a plain white room, discussed the intricate details of the 9/11 plot. After a grinning Bin Laden explained how he had schemed to crash commercial airliners into the World Trade Center, Abu Sulaiman chimed in and spoke of hisjoyous reaction when he heard “the news”: “That day the congratulations were coming on the phone non-stop… No doubt it is a clear victory… Thank Allah America came out of its caves. We hit her the first hit and the next one will hit her with the hands of the believers, the good believers, the strong believers. By Allah it is a great work. Allah prepares for you a great reward for this work… I live in happiness, happiness, I have not experienced, or felt, in a long time… In these days, in our times, that it will be the greatest jihad in the history of Islam.”


So now, this guy, has multiple international warrants on him, and the US is NOT looking for him, and he's living free in Saudi Arabia. AND, our own CIA says the guy is "not particularly significant", and "more of a spiritual adviser than an operational threat".

This is the guy on the right, we're talking about, okay?

http://blufiles.storage.msn.com/y1pg...iqRjSBIqpPQU4b

So now, let's find out who this guy really is.

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/siteb...en_video_1.JPG

Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Welcome to the final stages of the coup... posted 09/21/2008, 12:48 AM (Larisa Alexandrovna)
[Category: Commentary]

You already know I sympathize about the political-financial complex, and
that we are abused by this aspect of our government.

My first thought is an observation:
I should probably not attribute to Machiavellian conspiracies what could
easily be explained by a thousand acts of greed and stupidity.

Beyond that I cant see a political-financial conflict of interest as being a
single party issue.
The affirmative action lending deregulation that led to the sub-prime
problem took root during the Clinton administration, then the big business
friendly policies of the Bush administration brought it to a peak.

Originally Posted by bla bla

You already know I sympathize about the political-financial complex, and
that we are abused by this aspect of our government.

My first thought is an observation:
I should probably not attribute to Machiavellian conspiracies what could
easily be explained by a thousand acts of greed and stupidity.

Beyond that I cant see a political-financial conflict of interest as being a
single party issue.
The affirmative action lending deregulation that led to the sub-prime
problem took root during the Clinton administration, then the big business
friendly policies of the Bush administration brought it to a peak.

JOHNSON started this, remember?

The guy who staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident - THAT Johnson.

Everyone since then, has known about the problem, but all our genius put together can't seem to figure a way out of it.

Bush, seems to think he can hold it together till the election. That's why he had to make the bold move.

But sometime, either before or after the election, it's gonna fall apart. It always does. Check out the corporate equivalent - see, look - you've got CORPORATE deal-makers in charge of the Department of Treasury. These guys, like Bob Rubin and Paulson, they did things like LBO's and structured buyouts when they were at Goldman Sachs. That's exactly what they DO - they know how to "structure" large amounts of money. Only, what happens is, that they tend to max out the risk, that's the only way they can make any money on the deal. So, they're gonna do the EXACT SAME THING here - and Paulson even said so himself in today's interview. Their intention is to "break up the company" and "sell the assets at auction".

This is the EXACT same kind of verticalization these guys enabled in the corporate realm. Big companies, get bigger, and when they get too big for their britches, they simply "re-organize", sell off a few of their assets, and go along their merry way. It's the world's biggest Ponzi scheme - bigger than Social Security even!!!

See, and I mean, that's all these "structured buyouts" are anyway, they're Ponzi schemes. They're trading "expected" future rewards for hard cash.

The reality, to understand here, is that the US Government IS BROKE!!!

THAT, is the reality. The United States Government is ENTIRELY BROKE, and they're not only borrowing money from anyone who'll give it to 'em, they're even PRINTING it when they have to!!!

THAT's the problem. That is EXACTLY the problem. And, you can sugar-coat it any way you want, but at the end of the day, if you solve THAT problem, then all the other problems go away.

Originally Posted by SuperDem

No. I guess I'm dense or it's getting late. But I don't get a correlation with money.
And I'm very interested in understanding what you meant.

It would be a hell of a lot easier if nonsqtr formed his posts in a more
concise statement. His wordy, stream of consciousness, posts are just
hard to slog through and it obscures his points.