Thread: Obama's health care plan considered the best

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

The mortgage crisis is the result of deregulation, something you and McCain always seem to be for. At least until just the other day, McCain is now saying we should have had more regulation. Sometimes when things become so obvious that if you refute them you look like an idiot so you have to change your mind about it pretty quick. Is that the change McCain is talking about?

Prag, this is why I ignore FFA and Defensor during any serious discussion. All they do is pit out slogans but they never make a rational counterpoint. Neither has yet to reasonably counter any of what Obama proposes with a better idea.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Whats the matter with the health care plan we have now?

Other countries actually reduce their costs with preventive medicine. That is why UN is predicted to reduce overall costs with preventive medicine.

however, I am curious why health insurance companies wouldn't focus more on preventive medicine to reduce their overall costs.

Also, there is large amounts of administrative waste that is predicted to be reduced by 1/3 if UH is created. Even conservative sites say that UN will reduce adminstrative costs.

But there is also waste in the government of course. But thankfully UH isn't exactly wasteful beurocracy because health insurance companies will still provide their services. It isn't like the government needs to many hire people for a job that they will have a monopoly on.


oh yeah, and it will give more people healthcare, but the question if that is good or not is a matter of preference... so I can't use that as evidence.

Originally Posted by Bourne

What you're suggesting is unrealistic and impractical, it would seriously degrade the quality of physician training and physician specialists which in turn would further impair efffective and efficient health care delivery.

Yeah, 100% socialized medicine won't impair effective health care, just like socialized home-lending didn't impair home-ownership and bank stability.

Originally Posted by Nerv14

Other countries actually reduce their costs with preventive medicine. That is why UN is predicted to reduce overall costs with preventive medicine.

however, I am curious why health insurance companies wouldn't focus more on preventive medicine to reduce their overall costs.

Also, there is large amounts of administrative waste that is predicted to be reduced by 1/3 if UH is created. Even conservative sites say that UN will reduce adminstrative costs.

But there is also waste in the government of course. But thankfully UH isn't exactly wasteful beurocracy because health insurance companies will still provide their services. It isn't like the government needs to many hire people for a job that they will have a monopoly on.


oh yeah, and it will give more people healthcare, but the question if that is good or not is a matter of preference... so I can't use that as evidence.

I'm confused with UN. I know what UH is but are you referring to the UN here?

Originally Posted by Bourne

Prag, this is why I ignore FFA and Defensor during any serious discussion. All they do is pit out slogans but they never make a rational counterpoint. Neither has yet to reasonably counter any of what Obama proposes with a better idea.

You ignore us because any argument you could possibly come up with is already DOA. Socialism is a failed theory.

Oh, and I have a better idea, its called the free market!

Originally Posted by Nerv14

Other countries actually reduce their costs with preventive medicine. That is why UN is predicted to reduce overall costs with preventive medicine.

however, I am curious why health insurance companies wouldn't focus more on preventive medicine to reduce their overall costs.

Also, there is large amounts of administrative waste that is predicted to be reduced by 1/3 if UH is created. Even conservative sites say that UN will reduce adminstrative costs.

But there is also waste in the government of course. But thankfully UH isn't exactly wasteful beurocracy because health insurance companies will still provide their services. It isn't like the government needs to many hire people for a job that they will have a monopoly on.


oh yeah, and it will give more people healthcare, but the question if that is good or not is a matter of preference... so I can't use that as evidence.

Fuck the UN, and most so called con sites are neocon, you don't get it yet, both sides want the same thing, your money.

I have a question, I do not vaccinate my Granddaughter, where would she fit in, do you need your Thimerosal...err flu shots every year?

I will take care of myself thank you, the government interferes enough!

Originally Posted by michaelr

Fuck the UN, and most so called con sites are neocon, you don't get it yet, both sides want the same thing, your money.

I have a question, I do not vaccinate my Granddaughter, where would she fit in, do you need your Thimerosal...err flu shots every year?

I will take care of myself thank you, the government interferes enough!

I hope your granddaughter sues you for negligence :laughing:

Originally Posted by Bourne

Prag, this is why I ignore FFA and Defensor during any serious discussion. All they do is pit out slogans but they never make a rational counterpoint. Neither has yet to reasonably counter any of what Obama proposes with a better idea.

You ignore me because I make a serious discussion serious, and you can't adress the basic questions.

Question 1: I don't know Jack. Why should I pay for Jack's medical treatment?

Question 2: You don't know Jack (clearly). Why aren't you volunteering to use your own money if you care so much?

Question 3: You don't know jack about the Constitution which flatly does not authorize federal spending on health care. Since the Tenth Amendment applies, where the fuck to do socialists get off continually trying to force a national, socialist medical system on this country?

Question 4: If you care so much, why aren't you using your own money, since you need to use machine guns to get mine?

Just a few of the basic and most relevant questions that never get answered when socialists are whining about health care.

Originally Posted by Defensor

You ignore us because any argument you could possibly come up with is already DOA. Socialism is a failed theory.

Oh, and I have a better idea, its called the free market!

Unregulated markets are dangerous. At least with a centralised bank the government has the ability to negate inflation and deflation with interest rates.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

Unregulated markets are dangerous.

To lazy welfare leeches who don't want to contribute to society, yes. Got a personal stake in the matter, Aus? :whistling: