Thread: A New Excuse For When You Die

Originally Posted by mjdsr

Okay, so I was thinking about this, and I have a question for you michael. Let us assume that there is a goal that is to met, that "they", whomever we believe them to be, have an agenda. How do you know that the distrust of the police is not that goal?

Think about that for a minute. Which is worse? Complying with the police when you run into an encounter...or having a confrontation because you do not trust them? When you do not comply with the police, or you resist arrest, or argue, or are confrontational, it only adds to the discourse, and ultimately makes things worse. In fact, it gives them all the more reason to use force.

I work with the police quite often, and have witnessed first hand how the media distorts the story, and leaves out key facts. This is nothing new with them (the media).

So again, I ask, how do you know that the purpose is to make you not trust the police? The answer is we don't. For me, I am going to go by what I see and experience. You may choose to believe otherwise, and maybe you have had bad encounters. But the fact that the MSM reports these types of stories should be telling in itself.

"Most" policemen are reasonable and responsible human beings. Some are even courteous. BUT, there are also those who are brain-dead, and there are also those who severely abuse their trusted positions of power.

There are also those, who "just carry out orders", like in the military. They don't stop to think whether what they're commander's telling them is legal or not (they're not "supposed to", right?).

Then, on top of all that, the police "policy" is an agent of the State, and so, the whole deal is, if you get on the wrong side of the State, you're giving "individual" policemen a reason to fear for themselves.

And that is just ANOTHER reason why, the centralization of power is a very BAD thing. Power trickling upwards into the federal government, is a BAD thing. Because what it does, is it removes the INDIVIDUAL relationship between the local police officer and his local community. Suddenly that relationship is being defined on the basis of some piece of paper in a federal database somewhere - and that is a BAD thing, 'cause those federal clowns are the most incompetent people on the PLANET! Do you know how many names were FALSELY put on the no-fly list? And then they set it up so you had NO RECOURSE if your name got on there by mistake - they didn't have to tell you why, or ANYTHING. That crap is WRONG, man - it's not only un-Constitutional but it's just STUPID - it's brain-dead STUPID, is all. It's the surest way to piss people off and get them to distrust the government.

Did you know that you have the same mind-type as people who called the Heliocentric Model hearsay? New ideas, new understanding, first time events. You must open yourself to the possibilities.

Originally Posted by mjdsr

Okay, so I was thinking about this, and I have a question for you michael. Let us assume that there is a goal that is to met, that "they", whomever we believe them to be, have an agenda. How do you know that the distrust of the police is not that goal?

Think about that for a minute. Which is worse? Complying with the police when you run into an encounter...or having a confrontation because you do not trust them? When you do not comply with the police, or you resist arrest, or argue, or are confrontational, it only adds to the discourse, and ultimately makes things worse. In fact, it gives them all the more reason to use force.

I work with the police quite often, and have witnessed first hand how the media distorts the story, and leaves out key facts. This is nothing new with them (the media).

So again, I ask, how do you know that the purpose is to make you not trust the police? The answer is we don't. For me, I am going to go by what I see and experience. You may choose to believe otherwise, and maybe you have had bad encounters. But the fact that the MSM reports these types of stories should be telling in itself.

It is not the typical cop that I distrust, it is the corrupt system. The police have been taught that we are their enemy, they have disdain for us, they have dehumanized us. They use a taser without warrant in most cases, I see videos where the dump quadriplegics out of wheel chairs, causing the disabled to fall with all their weight to floor on their face, usually breaking bones. I have seen the shoot people for no reason with tear gas then charging that person with a crime, usually a felony. I could go on, your right confrontation is not what I would consider to be a good thing, but how many times can they draw first blood.

Now if you die in their custody, they have a built in excuse, one that on the surface may seem reasonable, that is until you look at the stats, and find this to be just pure bullshit.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Really you are an idiot, this has never happened yet now it's a new syndrome?? What the fuck is wrong with you thought process. I will take my warning from the mods now, asshole!

Yes, Michaelr, it has happened before. I've seen articles on the phenomenon for decades. I even remember it happening on Cops when a church deacon caught and held a robber until the police came. The young man just died.

I think the difference is that in the past the response of general society, right or wrong, was, "serves him right," and that was more or less the end of it.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Look Bourne people get arrested every day in this country, they do not die, if they did the jails and prisons would be empty. This is an excuse to shift the cause of deaths in the future from the cops. It is a lie, and I ain't falling for it. I am sorry I called you an asshole, but i figured if I got a warning that I would make it worth the mods time.

Don't you assign any responsibility at all to the criminal who has put himself in the position of needing to be restrained?

Have you ever, as I have asked before, had to restrain a violent young man who was determined to do you harm? Is is about fifty times as difficult as most uninitiated people would imagine. The amazing thing is that people die or receive major injuries so rarely.

Now you have generations of stupid young men who have spent most of their time doing little more than watching TV, playing video games, or standing around trying to look "cool," until they suddenly get in a struggle with the police. Since so many of them have almost no real knowledge in their empty heads, they can't grasp that the cops just want to take them top jail and lock them up.

They think like you. They think that the police will kill them, so for them it is a life and death struggle. The weak little things have no conditioning (from work, for instance,) to bear such stress, and during the hormonal siege, their cardiovascular system collapses and they die.

It that so hard top understand?

Originally Posted by michaelr

It is not the typical cop that I distrust, it is the corrupt system. The police have been taught that we are their enemy, they have disdain for us, they have dehumanized us. They use a taser without warrant in most cases, I see videos where the dump quadriplegics out of wheel chairs, causing the disabled to fall with all their weight to floor on their face, usually breaking bones. I have seen the shoot people for no reason with tear gas then charging that person with a crime, usually a felony. I could go on, your right confrontation is not what I would consider to be a good thing, but how many times can they draw first blood.

This is what I don't understand. What makes you think that police are taught we are the enemy?

I know and work with quite a few police officers, and I have no idea where this is coming from.

As for the tapes, how do you know the videos are not edited? There have been times in the ER that if you walked into the room just as we were putting people in restraints, videotaped it, and then showed it to people, they would think we were being out of line. But they would have not seen the part where the patient hit and injured a doctor or a nurse.

Now if you die in their custody, they have a built in excuse, one that on the surface may seem reasonable, that is until you look at the stats, and find this to be just pure bullshit.

Do you have a link to the stats?