Thread: Biden suggests war crimes trial for Bush Admin

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Exactly. The reality here, is that Bushie sent his thugs out to snatch some of these people off the streets in sovereign countries, with no due process and no respect of ANYONE's rights.

That, is simply not the American way.

Anyone who claims that asshole Bush is a patriot, is deaf dumb and blind.

Bush the Asshole, is a PISS-POOR example of an American, and I wouldn't want to repeat that, in terms of what we show to the rest of the world.

What are you talking about. It is about time we took on radicl Islam. They are not interested in peace. peace to them is when all humanity is Muslim, Not just any Islam but there wahabi Islam and sharia law. that is when the Muslims will have peace. Thay are a pathetic group, and killing them is not a bad thing, if not they will become powerfull and kill you for no other reason than that you do not beleive like thay do, almost like leftists.

Originally Posted by Tick

What are you talking about. It is about time we took on radicl Islam. They are not interested in peace. peace to them is when all humanity is Muslim, Not just any Islam but there wahabi Islam and sharia law. that is when the Muslims will have peace. Thay are a pathetic group, and killing them is not a bad thing, if not they will become powerfull and kill you for no other reason than that you do not beleive like thay do, almost like leftists.

Dude, that's a paranoid delusion!!!

There are a grand total of 54,000 of the so-called "terrorists", and the REST of radical Islam, really isn't a problem. They're mostly concerned with things like corruption, and their own rights - same stuff you and I are concerned about.

There's only maybe 54,000 people or so, who really want to KILL us.

"Radical Islam" has nothing to do with it. They're not a threat - they haven't been a threat in thousand years! Someone's selling you a bill of goods, friend. The truth here, is that they've just spent 4 TRILLION DOLLARS of YOUR money, on a grand total of 54,000 people.

I mean - yeah, I've been saying for YEARS - why doesn't that f'in idiot Bush just give me Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter? That will END this conflict, once and for all!!! So, why the hell can't he do that?

You give me 4 trillion dollars, and I GUARANTEE you I will get you Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter. I'll give you my own life and both my newborns if I can't do it. All right?

If you're gonna go after someone, GO AFTER 'EM, don't sit there and piss my money away on some goddam hare-brained interventionist scheme in an ENTIRELY UNRELATED PART OF THE WORLD!!!

See what I'm sayin'?

Yeah man - by all means, go after 'em. Only, DO IT, and do it EFFICIENTLY. I mean, as near as I can tell right now, all this "war on terror" crap serves NO purpose, other than partisanship.

Originally Posted by Tick

I hear what you are saying. But I am completly unsympothetic to Muslims. They are murderers, and are adherents to a murderous religon, they are doing exactly as the Quran says.

Tick, Defensor. Defensor, meet Tick.

Originally Posted by Tick

Thay are a pathetic group, and killing them is not a bad thing, if not they will become powerfull and kill you for no other reason than that you do not beleive like thay do.

I have a specific comment on this piece. I, personally, take an "operational" view to things like political assassinations.

As an instrument of state, they are also an instrument of policy.

Just like war is. Only, in war, thousands upon millions of people die, and in a political assassination, ONE person dies.

But look - the OPERATIONAL piece of it is, that you have to use this power JUDICIOUSLY (because you DO have it, even when they try to take it away from you) - and not only that, but don't be a fool and BROADCAST it when you're doin' it, right?

If you start pickin' people off left and right, then everyone's gonna know about it and you'll be up on charges before you know it. If you do it ONCE and you're quiet about it, they might not find out till after you're dead.

So like, in a PERFECT world, we could arrest people and bring them to justice that way, but, a) this is not a perfect world, and b) you know FOR SURE that OBL would fight back if we went in there after him, and c) from a criminal perspective the man is a FUGITIVE and therefore... you know.... bounty hunting and all that.

So, man, if you want to pick off OBL, I got no problem with that. If you want to pick up the teeming horde of 54,000 barbarians massing at our gates, I got no problem with that either.

But if you want to start extending that into "broad brush strokes" like "radical Islam", then that's the boundary. 'Cause it's a short step from there, to "all" of Islam, and it's a short step from there to a very unpleasant future.

I very much doubt that "Islam" is the problem.

Every religious faith has its nut cases. There are ALWAYS those who don't want you to believe anything but "their" truth, yes?

And, that is exactly why I value "evidence".

So, if you apply that standard to the "if they become powerful" part - well.... Where that takes you "immediately", is into the same equation that Bushie's running into now, and the same equation that brought down the Soviet Union. The COST of such a thing, is unsustainable!

So, if we don't FUND the bastids, we got no problems with 'em, right?

Ta-da! Bingo! :waving:

Originally Posted by Tick

Come on bourne, it was a hit peice designed to evoke an emotional respose that would fire up the leftist viewers. And if Powell was so convinced that the intellegence was not true he should have resigned and made a big deal of it, but he gave the speech, I do not feel sorry for him, he made his bed, If he would have resigned and raised hell at the time then he would have more credibiliy on the subject, and guess what, he would have been listened to, because even I was some what suspicious of the effort, but I believed the world wide belief that Saddam had em.

Interesting but none of what you said counters my argument that Bush and his crew knowingly lied to justify the invasion of Iraq.