Thread: A Word of Advice for Democrats

Originally Posted by bla bla

Obama is an intellectual Leftist, he believes government should shape
society instead of serve it.
The NeoCons currently representing the Republican party also think this
way.

Based on what I saw of the RNC I think there is a good case to be made that McCAin/Palin are turning the party back to true conservatism.

Originally Posted by Oftencold

I believe that you may be surprised. We'll see.

This is certainly true, she is now the most interesting of the four candidates.

Shhh! Don't tell.

Originally Posted by Inkslinger

In a sexual way , yes.
All fluff, no substance.

Given that American President have often been picked with the primary criteria being their physical attractiveness now that a women is on the ticket it just may play out to be even more important - sad but true.

Originally Posted by Davocrat

As a fertility goddess for the oil industry?

So far she has managed to demonstrate that she can be pro-drilling and anti-big oil at the same time. She has also demonstrated that she is very fertile - you dems like people who have sex, right?

Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

It will sell. This year. I think John McCain is likely to get as many, if not more, votes this year than Bush got in 00' and 04'. That means Obama needs to capitalize on his ability to inspire new voters, people who've been apathetically resting outside of the political process. Obama still has a great chance of winning, but it doesn't appear that he'll be able to count on Republican apathy for their candidate anymore. Now Obama has to win over the left and the center and inspire those who haven't voted over the last eight years.

So apathy is the same as stupidity? I'm not really having a hard time with that because based on the last two elections it makes sense.

Excellent advice!! The Dems have to keep their sights set on McCain himself & keep pointing out that he will be Bush's 3rd term. Palin should be strongly denounced by Hillary & that will end her as a threat to getting most women's votes. Keep the guns on McCain/Bush!

Originally Posted by lakeman

So far she has managed to demonstrate that she can be pro-drilling and anti-big oil at the same time. She has also demonstrated that she is very fertile - you dems like people who have sex, right?

-you dems like people who have sex, right? (lakeman)

That's an interesting comment since most people have sex.

So that means what? Republicans only like people who don't have sex. That wouldn't be good politics would it? That would mean your base would start to dry up.

You might want to rethink your position on that.

Steezman

Originally Posted by Oftencold

I believe that you may be surprised. We'll see.

This is certainly true, she is now the most interesting of the four candidates.

Could you please expand on that? Open wide.

Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

McCain has galvanized the conservative base behind Palin, so you can expect all the people that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 to vote for McCain in 08'. What does this mean? It means Obama is going to have to rely on young voters and independents more than he had previously anticipated when he began running as the far left idealist messianic agent of change.

But hasn't Obama already had to rely on the young vote? In a way, Palin is a mirror image of Obama on the right, although not as worshipped. I think "galvanized" is a strong word, and it's quite possible Palin's popularity has peaked. But, maybe not. She is a higher risk than Obama because she is, #1, under investigation for abuse of office and, #2, politically even more similiar to Bush than McCain himself. The Obama team's goal is going to be the same as before Palin came along- they are going to associate McCain (and now Palin, for sure) to Bush around the clock, and not let up. Bush policy and presidency is a majot political liability for McCain and Palin.

McCain will shape the debate in terms of "Change vs. Reform". The Democrats want change, but its bad change. McCain and Palin want Reform and its good reform. That will be their message from here on out.

But both "change" and "reform" are nothing more than used political catchphrases. Let's not forget that George W. Bush used the tagline "Reformer With Results" in 2000, so this is hardly something new. This could also be used by the Obama campaign to further associate McCain with Bush.

However, the Democrats still have an enormous opportunity. They've got to keep focusing on John McCain as a Partisan Hack. In fact, Democrats need to study hard how the Republicans went after John Kerry just four years ago. Did McCain support Bush's tax cuts? Sure, after voting against them twice. Did McCain split with the Republican base on Amnesty for illegals? Yes. He agreed with Bush and pushed hard for a bipartisan Amnesty plan. Was McCain an independent voice on the Surge in Iraq? Sure thing buddy. He was one of the few Republicans who ambitiously pursued President George Bush's war at all costs in Iraq.

Which is very telling about the near future in November.

Democrats need to stay in control of the debate if they are going to win. They need to focus on McCain, NOT on the issues. If they focus on the issues they are going to lose. The Republicans have always been more practical when it comes to policy, except under George Bush. So hammer McCain. Hammer Bush. Keep on the offensive.

Which is exactly what they are doing, and what will continue relentlessly. They will cater to the nation's short attention span and use the Bush card.

If Obama tries to defend himself as a realistic choice for President, he'll be stuck defending the indefensible; but if he argues that McCain is going to be just as bad as President Bush, nay! Worse! Then they have a shot. (Oh, and don't mention Sarah Palin. Ever. Just forget about her. Pretend like she isn't even there. Or Else).

The problem for McCain in this aspect is that Obama doesn't have much to defend. He has a rather short track record in the Senate, and the Iraq vote isn't a liability for him.

As for Sarah Palin, I disagree. Strategically, the Democrats need to bring her into the Bush associations, because what she supports is much more Bush-like than even McCain. They need to put Palin in the limelight, exposed for all to see. The Democrat base needs to halt the Palin family issues at once, or it will hurt them drastically. If the Democrats keep the smear campaign up about Palin's daughter, they will be giving votes away.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

She is a higher risk than Obama because she is, #1, under investigation for abuse of office

This is such an old technique for trying to diminish an opponent, I'm surprised people are still trying it. It's a joke and a cliche. It's a no lose technique. All you need is an accusation. If the politician shows up, you hammer them with unproven innuendos. If they don't show up, it's the old "obstruction of justice" ploy. I seem to remember this being tried against Justice Thomas.

So since you brought it up, what injustice is Palin supposed to have committed? (I'll be happy with your own words or any mainstream press account).

Wait. I got it. Oooo a wrongful firing case. Exotic! Scary! Is this the one?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/was...o_be_rele.html

The inquiry will examine whether Palin wrongly dismissed the state's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law, state trooper Jim Wooten. Wooten, in an exclusive interview with CNN, said he had made mistakes and "learned from those mistakes." He said he is trying to "move on" and be a good father to his children.

In 2006, state investigators found Wooten guilty of "a significant pattern of judgment failures," including using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson and drinking beer while operating a state trooper vehicle. Wooten was suspended for 10 days as "a last chance to take corrective action