Thread: How does raising taxes help the economy?

Originally Posted by mjdsr

The reality is we cannot afford it. But we cannot afford all the things you have mentioned either. As PJ O'rourke has said:

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

This statement also hold true with spending. They argue against the democrats on how massive spending is harmful, and then they get elected and prove it!

While for the most part what you say is true, the creation of a national health care policy can and will be beneficial to America through the creation of high paying jobs in the medical industry and the creation of jobs in the medical supply industry and the insurance industry and in turn the investment community. Much like the jobs that have been created by the military industrial complex. Thing is we will be saving lives instead of destroying them.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Anything to protect the party, no matter the cost to the American.

The thing that bothers me about national health care 1) the stories I here of how inadequate it is, and people who die because they could not get an appointment. 2) that the quality of care goes down because since it is a government subsidy the care givers are less likely to care about you because of dehumanization. 3) That it will become a bearocracy that makes your health care decisions taking those decisions out of the hands of the patient and the doctor. 4) That it becomes an entitle ment that will become an underfunded government directorate that will be a poliyical football to time in memorial. This issue is bigger than party. It's conception is misguided, and illinformed, illplanned in that all the problems are not forethought and preaddressed. Nothing has been talked about to insure that it is not an instant substandard program without the proper redress procedures to insure speedy problem solving. The dems float it out there and portray themselves as the problem solvers. If it cost you nothing it is not worth anthing. I do not have the solution, but, from where I sit neither does anyone else, including the dems.

Originally Posted by Tick

The thing that bothers me about national health care 1) the stories I here of how inadequate it is, and people who die because they could not get an appointment. 2) that the quality of care goes down because since it is a government subsidy the care givers are less likely to care about you because of dehumanization. 3) That it will become a bearocracy that makes your health care decisions taking those decisions out of the hands of the patient and the doctor. 4) That it becomes an entitle ment that will become an underfunded government directorate that will be a poliyical football to time in memorial. This issue is bigger than party. It's conception is misguided, and illinformed, illplanned in that all the problems are not forethought and preaddressed. Nothing has been talked about to insure that it is not an instant substandard program without the proper redress procedures to insure speedy problem solving. The dems float it out there and portray themselves as the problem solvers. If it cost you nothing it is not worth anthing. I do not have the solution, but, from where I sit neither does anyone else, including the dems.

I do not know nor care how you put this into socialized medicine, but I want you to know that I also am against it!

Originally Posted by Sparta

So you're for the occupation but against paying for it. That sucks. I once had a cake and wanted to eat it too, too, so I know how it feels.

Try again

Originally Posted by Stinger
I'm a people, how does raising taxes and hurting the economy help me?

Originally Posted by anonnymous

While for the most part what you say is true, the creation of a national health care policy can and will be beneficial to America through the creation of high paying jobs in the medical industry and the creation of jobs in the medical supply industry and the insurance industry and in turn the investment community. Much like the jobs that have been created by the military industrial complex. Thing is we will be saving lives instead of destroying them.

The military industrial complex creates new wealth for the government, it's also entrenched, so any move to change the flow of money will be met with some stiff resistance.

Originally Posted by Conservative15

This is for the Obama supporters: How does raising taxes help the economy?

More taxes = more infrastructure = good. This only applies to the rich though; middle class taxation is bad.

Originally Posted by Stinger

Try again

Originally Posted by Stinger
I'm a people, how does raising taxes and hurting the economy help me?

You don't get to get helped, anything that could have been done for you is being done for Iraq and our military industrial complex, the bank cartels, and our central government.

Do you seriously mean to suggest that we should bomb, invade, and occupy an entire country while you demand a cut of the pie? All you get is a shit sandwich stinger, what the hell are you thinking?

Originally Posted by anonnymous

You know what amazes me is when the dems talk about how the people might best be served, in particular in regards to health care, of which we are the only industrialized nation not to have a national health care policy, the first thing out of the opposition is that we can not afford it. Well that is bullshit!! We can afford 3 Billion a week for a misconceived foreign adventure on the pretense that somehow it will help this nation, We can afford to bailout banks that failed to follow sound banking policies, give billions to other countries of the world and creat the largest bureaucracy since the pentagon but for some reason we can not provide people the means to receive proper health care when needed? The reason being is we need to cut government spending while all the while increasing government spending at such an astronomical rate that at present it will take 2 generations to pay off. Quite frankly the people who claim to be conservatives are nothing but lairs and thieves.

My opinion? We can't afford 2 billion a week on Iraq. And we certainly cannot afford the 53 Trillion in entitlements to the baby boomers beginning in 2010. So, if we can't afford either of those things, how can we afford universal healthcare? Does the debt and deficit only matter when you disagree how it got there or should we be striving to eliminate it completely?

Originally Posted by anonnymous

While for the most part what you say is true, the creation of a national health care policy can and will be beneficial to America through the creation of high paying jobs in the medical industry and the creation of jobs in the medical supply industry and the insurance industry and in turn the investment community. Much like the jobs that have been created by the military industrial complex. Thing is we will be saving lives instead of destroying them.

The healthcare industry is one of the areas where unemployment is not on the rise, and pay will go down with the implementation of a national healthcare plan, and costs will go up. The program will be inefficient. This is the U.S. government we are talking about. I agree with reform, but I don't support a national plan.

Originally Posted by anonnymous

While for the most part what you say is true, the creation of a national health care policy can and will be beneficial to America through the creation of high paying jobs in the medical industry and the creation of jobs in the medical supply industry and the insurance industry and in turn the investment community. Much like the jobs that have been created by the military industrial complex. Thing is we will be saving lives instead of destroying them.

How will it create jobs in the medical supply industry? If it is going to be anything like Medicare, it's going to eliminate jobs. Particularly on the women's health side.

And how is having Dr's en masse drop insurance completely in favor of a cash pay patient bill system going to stimulate anything but a longer wait to get reimbursed?