Thread: Palin has pregnant teenage daughter...so?

Originally Posted by sid2112

Not at all, being a Christian myself, I have faith that she made peace with God. The fact that she did not use the word sin in recognition of her daughter's infidelity does not mean she doesn't think of it as one. However, as a good Christian she forgives and tries to help. That is the mark of a good Christian. Furthermore, a sin can be a blessing in the form of a life lesson learned. Forgiveness is the mark of a true Christian. Christ is not an agent of fear, people do that themselves. I'm not asking you to be Christian, I am asking you to learn more about my faith so you can put forth more learned questions in the future.

There is quite a distinction between 'the tenets of Christ' and Christianity mind you - especially the evalgelical brand of christianity practiced by many Republicans.

But the fact that Palin was probably the villain of this piece means that the value of her 'forgiveness' if it is even anything more than publicity, is somewhat diluted.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

She obviously impressed a lesson about the evils of contraception upon her daughter while being ignorant of the fact that horny teenagers are in fact horny teenagers. That, and its funny because someone who opposes sex ed has a pregnant teen kid. If I believed in karma, I would say this is a prime example of it.

I agree that abstinence only teaching doesn't work. But teens aren't really listening much to the discussions concerning safer sex, and the use of condoms either. My point is teens are going to do what they want to do.

I agree that there is a some irony here, but to say that she failed as a parent is uncalled for. I also don't see how this makes her a hypocrite either. If she was advocating her daughter have an abortion, then yes, I would call that hypocrisy.

I don't have a daughter, but I have several nieces. My sister is uncomfortable talking to my one niece about sex. So I do it. I talk about waiting, but I also talk to her about condoms, STDs, getting pregnant at a young age, what that would entail etc. I try to cover all the bases. If she were to still come home pregnant, than does that mean I failed in my attempts. Does it make me a hypocrite if she doesn't take precautions, and she gets pregnant?

As parents, there is only so much that one can do to protect and educate their children concerning life. Sometimes we can do everything the "right" way, and it still isn't enough.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

There is quite a distinction between 'the tenets of Christ' and Christianity mind you - especially the evalgelical brand of christianity practiced by many Republicans.

Hey don't get me wrong, evangelical conservatives piss me off too. I'm smart enough to practice my religion while at the same time respecting everyone's right to believe or not based on their own opinions. I'm a Christian, I'm a conservative, the two are mutually exlusive. I base my opinion on political policy based on what I think is best for everyone. I do not base it on what my religion tells me you should be doing. That's for you to decide.

Originally Posted by mjdsr

I agree that abstinence only teaching doesn't work. But teens aren't really listening much to the discussions concerning safer sex, and the use of condoms either. My point is teens are going to do what they want to do.

I agree that there is a some irony here, but to say that she failed as a parent is uncalled for. I also don't see how this makes her a hypocrite either. If she was advocating her daughter have an abortion, then yes, I would call that hypocrisy.

I don't have a daughter, but I have several nieces. My sister is uncomfortable talking to my one niece about sex. So I do it. I talk about waiting, but I also talk to her about condoms, STDs, getting pregnant at a young age, what that would entail etc. I try to cover all the bases. If she were to still come home pregnant, than does that mean I failed in my attempts. Does it make me a hypocrite if she doesn't take precautions, and she gets pregnant?

As parents, there is only so much that one can do to protect and educate their children concerning life. Sometimes we can do everything the "right" way, and it still isn't enough.

I havent said she was a hypocrite, in fact I dont think she is a hypocrite since she hasnt been advocating for the ostracism of pregnant teens. The point here is the extreme irony of the situation - a point which (although it shouldnt) will have some political sway.

Originally Posted by liberalman

Oh he apologized that made it all better then? Did he apologize to Chelsea? Nope. how about Bill? Nope. Now he did apoloise to Hillary a decade later......sorry but that doesn't pass the stink test

He publically appologized and took responsibility for it and has reiterate that appology eversince.

Fowler cop-ed out with the "if I offended anybody" non-appology.

Originally Posted by sid2112

Hey don't get me wrong, evangelical conservatives piss me off too. I'm smart enough to practice my religion while at the same time respecting everyone's right to believe or not based on their own opinions. I'm a Christian, I'm a conservative, the two are mutually exlusive. I base my opinion on political policy based on what I think is best for everyone. I do not base it on what my religion tells me you should be doing. That's for you to decide.

If only everyone shared that opinion, we'd have a lot less problems.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

both palin and her daughter have committed serious sins. so that makes her a good christian how?

And Obama continues to adamantly support all forms abortion. How does
that make him a good Christian as he claims to be?

Palin continues to promote higher expectations that come from her faith,
even in the face of her imperfect life, how is Obama doing that in respect
to his proclaimed Christianity?

Originally Posted by steezer

....and your post makes you what? Holier than thou. Stop with the histrionics and the self indulgent mockery in the tone of your posts (calling Obama the Messiah) and I might take you seriously. Until then....

yes the messiah, the annointed, better get used to it, did you see the gaudy display with the roman columns and crying and emotional break downs at the convention.

Yep you better get used to it, or you can just find excuses as above to avoid it.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

If only everyone shared that opinion, we'd have a lot less problems.

Thanks Now just so I can be clear, my ethics are influenced by my religion so there are times when my faith does show in my political thought. It just doesn't extend to things like abortion (I'm pro-choice) and school prayer (if a kid wants to pray in school, fine, but it shouldn't be a government mandate).

Originally Posted by mjdsr

I agree that abstinence only teaching doesn't work. But teens aren't really listening much to the discussions concerning safer sex, and the use of condoms either. My point is teens are going to do what they want to do.

I agree that there is a some irony here, but to say that she failed as a parent is uncalled for. I also don't see how this makes her a hypocrite either. If she was advocating her daughter have an abortion, then yes, I would call that hypocrisy.

I don't have a daughter, but I have several nieces. My sister is uncomfortable talking to my one niece about sex. So I do it. I talk about waiting, but I also talk to her about condoms, STDs, getting pregnant at a young age, what that would entail etc. I try to cover all the bases. If she were to still come home pregnant, than does that mean I failed in my attempts. Does it make me a hypocrite if she doesn't take precautions, and she gets pregnant?

As parents, there is only so much that one can do to protect and educate their children concerning life. Sometimes we can do everything the "right" way, and it still isn't enough.

How about her judgment? She is set in her ways that abstinence is the only correct thing to teach our children & she has been proven wrong with her own child. If that doesn't make her a perfect fit for Bush/McCain stubbornly clinging to wrong thinking, I don't know what does. This goes right to her judgment, which is obviously flawed. You want her finger on the nuclear trigger?