Thread: Texas school district to let teachers carry guns

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Every classroom in every school in America should be monitored every day to make sure the teacher doesn't go bats and hurt the students.

Oh. Wait. We DO trust the teachers.

Fancy that.

If you trust teachers that's your first mistake... I don't. I had bad teachers. I've seen bad teachers, and their as human as anyone else. They are just as capable of making an impluse, bad decision as anyone else.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

That's not reasonable. Everyone knows that the best place to learn how to shoot is at a school that teaches people how to shoot guns.

Being trained does not gaurantee a damn thing. Mistakes happen, people make stupid decisions, and sadly when mistakes involves a firearm there's normally no such thing as a little accident.

Kids + school + teachers + guns = stupidy. All it's going to take is some 25 year old english teacher showing off for some 16 year old cheerleader, and an accident to prove how fucking stupid this law is.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

What is reasonable is to understand that you live in a different era than when you were a little child, yesterday. Kids and adults DO go on rampages these days, and wishing they won't, pretending that the mental health industry is able to find and treat effectively the people who will go nuts before they go nuts, is merely wishing away the reality where people go nuts and search out unprotected innocent people to kill.

I agree and I don't think esculating the situation with more stupidy is going to help our situation.

We do have some serious problems in this country, and we need to find some real soultions... but giving guns to teachers is not a good solution. That's called knee jerk reaction by a bunch of shit kicking, cow pokers who think there's not a problem a bullet and budweiser can't solve.

Most of us in this country are beyond that level ignorance.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

No one is making it their responsibility. The OP states that schools are ALLOWING teachers to make the choice, which is different from MAKING it their responsibility.

That's even worse... it's making it inconsistent and dangerous for everyone else.

I know from personal experiece the type of person that wants to fluant this type of responsibility, or carry their weapon everywhere they go are normally the people you really don't want having a gun in the first place, their normally the showoffs that have something to prove. Tha's asking for trouble.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Right. All responsible parents should pull all their children out of all schools in which a single student may be having emotional problems.

If the school thinks there's so much of a probability that a situation is going to occur that it warrants teachers carrying weapons, then yes... as a parent I would pull my kids from that school.

If my school came up with some stupid idea like this... I wouldn't fucking waste a second in pulling my kids out. I'm not going to have my kid around some fucking idoit with a gun playing John Wayne.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

In the real world, many children have emotional problems that COULD lead to violent outbursts. Very few of those children do. Hence requiring professional security guards is an unconscionable waste of taxpayer dollars when all that's necessary is for some teachers to volunteer to arm themselves.

LMAO... oh my God... read what you just wrote... do you really think this makes any sense at all? It's sad if you really beleive this shit.

This is your flaw... a teacher should not be put in a position... voluntary or otherwise to make a decision on when to use LETHAL FORCE.

I'm gathering from our discussion... you're one of these shot from the hip, hey mom look at me type people that never had this type of responsiblity before. You like guns, so guns are good. I'm making my decision on the fact that not everyone should be carrying a gun, not everyone is responsbile enough.

And teachers carrying a gun in school is about the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard of. I just can't make any sense out of it at all. The legal responbility alone should unnerve any school corporation from allowing this, but it's Texas. lol

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

So by your logic, armed principals will need to justify their being armed by... shooting students.

Yeah, the libertarian solution sounds way better.

or just shooting anyone...

"listen mr. johnson, i said you could pick up your daughter at 3pm! its only 2:50, so back off!!"

Originally Posted by Notmyrealname

If you trust teachers that's your first mistake... I don't. I had bad teachers. I've seen bad teachers, and their as human as anyone else. They are just as capable of making an impluse, bad decision as anyone else.




Being trained does not gaurantee a damn thing. Mistakes happen, people make stupid decisions, and sadly when mistakes involves a firearm there's normally no such thing as a little accident.

Kids + school + teachers + guns = stupidy. All it's going to take is some 25 year old english teacher showing off for some 16 year old cheerleader, and an accident to prove how fucking stupid this law is.




I agree and I don't think esculating the situation with more stupidy is going to help our situation.

We do have some serious problems in this country, and we need to find some real soultions... but giving guns to teachers is not a good solution. That's called knee jerk reaction by a bunch of shit kicking, cow pokers who think there's not a problem a bullet and budweiser can't solve.

Most of us in this country are beyond that level ignorance.



That's even worse... it's making it inconsistent and dangerous for everyone else.

I know from personal experiece the type of person that wants to fluant this type of responsibility, or carry their weapon everywhere they go are normally the people you really don't want having a gun in the first place, their normally the showoffs that have something to prove. Tha's asking for trouble.



If the school thinks there's so much of a probability that a situation is going to occur that it warrants teachers carrying weapons, then yes... as a parent I would pull my kids from that school.

If my school came up with some stupid idea like this... I wouldn't fucking waste a second in pulling my kids out. I'm not going to have my kid around some fucking idoit with a gun playing John Wayne.



LMAO... oh my God... read what you just wrote... do you really think this makes any since at all? It's sad if you really beleive this shit.

This is your flaw... a teacher should not be put in a position... voluntary or otherwise to make a decision on when to use LETHAL FORCE.

I'm gathering from our discussion... you're one of these shot from the hip, hey mom look at me type people that never had this type of responsiblity before. You like guns, so guns are good. I'm making my decision on the fact that not everyone should be carrying a gun, not everyone is responsbile enough.

And teachers carrying a gun in school is about the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard of. I just can't make any sense out of it at all. The legal responbility alone should unnerve any school corporation from allowing this, but it's Texas. lol

yea, why do we trust teachers more than cops? both groups certainly have their share of bad apples.

Originally Posted by Ronin Tetsuro

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Easy, indeed.

Umm....explain how the teacher not having a gun precludes the possibility of armed violence in their classroom. Since it's been shown that not having a gun does not stop someone else from bringing one in, their comfort with the concept isn't relevant.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

or just shooting anyone...

"listen mr. johnson, i said you could pick up your daughter at 3pm! its only 2:50, so back off!!"

You're making fun.. but I can see something like that happening.

It's already happening in our society. Whos' to say one of these testosterone junky teachers, who's a teacher because it gives him great powers over masses doesn't do something stupid like pull a gun because some kid smarted off to him... You put a gun in the wrong hands bad things can happen, and there's no way of knowing who that might be until it's to late.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

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Actually, it is.

Their job, as daily nanny, is first to ensure the safety of their charges. That means they should be permitted to arm themselves, within reasonable guidelines, if they perceive a need to do so.

They're required to know the Heimlich Manuever.
They have to know CPR.
They have to know basic first aid.

None of those are related to "teaching". All of them are related to student safety.

Your argument is dismissed.

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Okay. That's your choice.

Please, PLEASE make sure the shool you send your child to has a huge sign out front saying "we don't allow guns here", okay?

It will make everyone sending their kid to a sane school happier, knowing that your kid is in the target school.

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Yes. Unlike you, I have a perfect grasp of that concept.

Unlike you, I'm also aware that one is supposed to make an effort, anyway.

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Yeah.

Life's a bitch.

I've read cases where the cops killed innocent citizens.

What's your point, that perhaps in some cases an armed teacher might NOT be able to stop the bad guy, just like the sometimes the cops can't?

No fucking shit. And sometime the teacher WILL be able to be efficacious. And those times are the times that count, but those times are the times you don't want to happen.

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What? You require evidence to learn that there's no guarantees in life?

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No, it comes down to that other bit of reality, the one that matters.

You have to try to prevent the bad things.

Adults know this.

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Oh, gee.

You failed to mention that not one of those people had their own gun in that restaurant.

Which, naturally, totally invalidates the long winded argument you were trying to make.

Of course, those people didn't have guns in the restaurant because the law didn't permit them to bring their guns in.

Which validates my argument. As you say, many of those people were qualified gun owners. But they obeyed the law, and they died.

The law didn't stop the shooter.



"rumored".

Nuff said.

No, your arguement is fuckin stupid, maybe you ought to move to Texas because Calif is not ignorant enough to ever pass such an assinine law, sorry.

Originally Posted by Notmyrealname

You're making fun.. but I can see something like that happening.

It's already happening in our society. Whos' to say one of these testosterone junky teachers, who's a teacher because it gives him great powers over masses doesn't do something stupid like pull a gun because some kid smarted off to him... You put a gun in the wrong hands bad things can happen, and there's no way of knowing who that might be until it's to late.

of course. youtube has shown us that some of these teachers are psychos, that already scream at and get physical with their students.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Umm....explain how the teacher not having a gun precludes the possibility of armed violence in their classroom. Since it's been shown that not having a gun does not stop someone else from bringing one in, their comfort with the concept isn't relevant.

LMAO... do you think some nut intent on killing students will care the teach has a gun?Like I pointed out in previous posts.,this type of thing happens so fast... that normally people don't have time to react logically to the situation... basic instincts of freeze or flee comes in play.

A teacher running around with a gun is more of a liability to others then a solution to any problem.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Umm....explain how the teacher not having a gun precludes the possibility of armed violence in their classroom. Since it's been shown that not having a gun does not stop someone else from bringing one in, their comfort with the concept isn't relevant.

but you still seem to be at odds with yourself. you have made it quite clear that you think teachers SHOULD have guns, yet you also say that we aren't talking about REQUIRING teachers to have guns.

so teachers have the choice, none of them decide to get guns. ok, then what?

I tell you what I would agree with... tasers.

Give the teachers tasers... so even if they get pissed and do something stupid the worse that will happen is some punk getting 50K volts up his ass.