Thread: Martial Law Declared in Arkansas Town

Originally Posted by uncommonman

Slow news week Mikey?

You win the prize for lamest thread of the week.

Comming from you that mean nothing.

Originally Posted by michaelr

I have a solution and it is pretty fucking simple. When you catch some one breaking the law lock them up. These days if you get caught stealing a car they let you go, WTF do you think these people do when they have a car that can't be traced back to them? We have laws, lets follow them.

not really sure what you're talking about. you mean people post bail? if you're arrested for anything and post bail, you're free to go. its part of that whole "innocent till proven guilty" thing, you know, another one of our civil liberties.

regardless, gang warfare doesn't exist because they're catching the guys and then letting them go. it exists because they haven't caught the guys yet.

this is where obama's plan to get people more invested in their communities can really help. if people have a sense of ownership and pride in THEIR community, they're going to be less likely to allow this kind of crime and violence to take hold where they live.

Originally Posted by michaelr

Comming from you that mean nothing.

Comming? What is comming?

I guess you win a "Mikey" for being unable to spell common words too.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

not really sure what you're talking about. you mean people post bail? if you're arrested for anything and post bail, you're free to go. its part of that whole "innocent till proven guilty" thing, you know, another one of our civil liberties.

regardless, gang warfare doesn't exist because they're catching the guys and then letting them go. it exists because they haven't caught the guys yet.

this is where obama's plan to get people more invested in their communities can really help. if people have a sense of ownership and pride in THEIR community, they're going to be less likely to allow this kind of crime and violence to take hold where they live.

What I mean is we have guidelines for sentences but they are rarely followed or some plea deal is arranged so there is little jail time for criminals. If someone breaks the law lock them up for longer periods of time, that is a pretty fair and simple solution. There are a few cities now that lock down entire neighborhoods, punishing everyone within. Collective punishment is wrong.

Obama's plan sounds like he may still be on drugs.

Originally Posted by Think for myself

Would you advocate the police in this town to simply shoot people?

Only if they run.

Originally Posted by Notmyrealname

Only if they run.

Are you serious or are you joking? I can not fathom killing someone for running from the police. I don't know, maybe I just like that whole Constitution thing more than most people.

Originally Posted by Think for myself

Are you serious or are you joking? I can not fathom killing someone for running from the police. I don't know, maybe I just like that whole Constitution thing more than most people.

If this is true, why on earth would any criminal, confronted by police, stick around to be arrested? If there's no risk of being shot, then it just makes sense to run for it.

Originally Posted by michaelr

What I mean is we have guidelines for sentences but they are rarely followed or some plea deal is arranged so there is little jail time for criminals. If someone breaks the law lock them up for longer periods of time, that is a pretty fair and simple solution. There are a few cities now that lock down entire neighborhoods, punishing everyone within. Collective punishment is wrong.

Obama's plan sounds like he may still be on drugs.

so you liken thinking that people should be responsible for what goes on in their own communities to being on drugs? thats SUCH a bizarre concept?

and there is quite a lot of jail time for criminals. we jail more people for more time than any country in the world. i don't really think thats the issue. the issue is people turning to crime because they have nothing else, the issue is people in their communities not being empowered to take back their own neighborhoods, and the issue is police being underfunded and undermanned.

Originally Posted by Djinn

If this is true, why on earth would any criminal, confronted by police, stick around to be arrested? If there's no risk of being shot, then it just makes sense to run for it.

well but be careful. in these discussions people always say "this CRIMINAL". you're assuming that everyone is automatically known to be a criminal. if you're talking about a fugitive, thats a different story. but a SUSPECT can't just get shot by the police without showing an intent to harm others. namely because you and i and everyone are always potential suspects. do YOU want to get shot at by the police because they think you MIGHT be a suspect?

Originally Posted by nickcuse

so you liken thinking that people should be responsible for what goes on in their own communities to being on drugs? thats SUCH a bizarre concept?

and there is quite a lot of jail time for criminals. we jail more people for more time than any country in the world. i don't really think thats the issue. the issue is people turning to crime because they have nothing else, the issue is people in their communities not being empowered to take back their own neighborhoods, and the issue is police being underfunded and undermanned.

I believe that the people in these communities need a reason for hope, Obama has no way of creating that hope. The best he or anyone can do is offer a Wal-Mart type job and say "don't worry be happy". It is lunacy at it's best. Obama is part of the problem and therefor can no be the solution.