Thread: What we would be bombing in Iran

Latest surveillance photos of prospective bombing sites in Iran, take a look:

Life in Iran :: A Photo Essay by Arash Shiva

Still convinced it's a good idea?

Come on, the Iranians are all terrorists living in caves plotting the extermination of the Jews.

Yes, they are still convinced. Burn it all, smash... brown skin... Hulk angry....

I don't see the point of those pretty pictures.

Note that I also am opposed to bombing Iran.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I don't see the point of those pretty pictures.

Note that I also am opposed to bombing Iran.

Sorry Zara, I am glad to hear that you are opposed to the bombing of Iran (I would have expected no less from one so sensible as you ) but the point is pretty clear to me.

I love war when it is enacted upon a computer monitor, and I can plan the strategy and watch the pretty explosions, but war in reality means killing or maiming the little boy selling beans on a Tehran street.

Some people have become so fearful of shadows, and so dependent upon violence to further their national aims, that they conveniently forget that war is primarily made against people, not just buildings, tanks and aircraft. And that every civilian death adds to the well of hatred that we dig. The mother of the little bean seller will not forgive us, nor will she and all who loved him forget.

We do not live in Biblical times, nor are we an ignorant nomadic race who flatter ourselves as being 'the chosen of God'. There are more effective means of obtaining both security and progress. Many centuries ago, John Milton wrote: "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe."

Originally Posted by Leo

Sorry Zara, I am glad to hear that you are opposed to the bombing of Iran (I would have expected no less from one so sensible as you ) but the point is pretty clear to me.

I love war when it is enacted upon a computer monitor, and I can plan the strategy and watch the pretty explosions, but war in reality means killing or maiming the little boy selling beans on a Tehran street.

Some people have become so fearful of shadows, and so dependent upon violence to further their national aims, that they conveniently forget that war is primarily made against people, not just buildings, tanks and aircraft. And that every civilian death adds to the well of hatred that we dig. The mother of the little bean seller will not forgive us, nor will she and all who loved him forget.

We do not live in Biblical times, nor are we an ignorant nomadic race who flatter ourselves as being 'the chosen of God'. There are more effective means of obtaining both security and progress. Many centuries ago, John Milton wrote: "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe."

Thanks Leo, I can see now. Nice quote by John Milton.

I have no quarrel with the Iranian people. When the Iranians took Americans hostage, I even hung out with some Iranians in this country. They seemed different but when you got to know them you find we are pretty much the same.

My problem comes with the small bunch of madmen running the place. They thumb their nose at the world, the UN, and the US and continue their developement of nuclear weapons. They are intent on destroying Israel. They send insurgents into Iraq and all sorts of things that blow up to kill Americans and innocent Iraqis. They don't give a damn about that little Iraqi boy selling beans. Shit, they don't even care about that little Iranian bean seller.

They know of our aversion to killing innocents and blowing up historical structures. They use that to their advantage. They will hide their weapons of war inside of mosques and, if they have to, in that little bean seller's cart.

Israel knows this too. Why do you think they want to attack the places where the bombs are attempting to be made? Because if they wait until the bombs are ready, the bombs will be moved to every shrine or mosque inside of Iraq.

Nobody wants to kill Iranians for sport or destroy long standing structures because it's fun to watch them fall down. The madmen in charge in Iran have to know that they cannot win a war with the US. Israel could probably beat them in a one on one fight. I just cannot comprehend why they would put their own people at such a risk. They have little to gain and much to lose.

I would love to go to Iran and shake the beans out of that little fellow and tell him to wake the fuck up! (Not the boy in the street...Ahmadenijad.)

Originally Posted by uncommonman

My problem comes with the small bunch of madmen running the place.

A former CIA operative who says he tried to warn the agency about faulty intelligence on Iraqi weapons programs now contends that CIA officials also ignored evidence that Iran had suspended work on a nuclear bomb.

washingtonpost.com

It would seem we have madmen running THIS place too.

Originally Posted by uncommonman

I have no quarrel with the Iranian people. When the Iranians took Americans hostage, I even hung out with some Iranians in this country. They seemed different but when you got to know them you find we are pretty much the same.

I am happy to hear that, but please bear it in mind when considering the matter further.

Originally Posted by uncommonman

My problem comes with the small bunch of madmen running the place. They thumb their nose at the world, the UN, and the US and continue their developement of nuclear weapons. They are intent on destroying Israel. They send insurgents into Iraq and all sorts of things that blow up to kill Americans and innocent Iraqis. They don't give a damn about that little Iraqi boy selling beans. Shit, they don't even care about that little Iranian bean seller.

I would tend to agree with those who consider Amadinejad as something of a chancer, but I think he may be best described by this line from Shakespeare: "It is a tale told by an idiot. Full of sound and fury; signifying nothing." We need to consider that his rhetoric is largely for local consumption, and that despite the fears regularly whipped up by the present US administration (and ably presented by your captive media) there is no concrete evidence of either a current Iranian nuclear weapons programme, or of an Iranian government sponsored insurgency in Iraq.

As far as the danger to Israel is concerned, it is non-existent, given the ability and US backing that the Israeli military have. Believe me, Israel is more than big enough to look after itself.

In the words of a famous American: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

Originally Posted by uncommonman

They know of our aversion to killing innocents and blowing up historical structures. They use that to their advantage. They will hide their weapons of war inside of mosques and, if they have to, in that little bean seller's cart.

If they 'know' this, then it is a knowledge based upon prescience and not historical fact. Something approaching four million dead Vietnamese men, women, and children might attest otherwise. And when the tumult and the shouting dies down in that part of the world, something approaching a million dead Iraqis might also.

Originally Posted by uncommonman

Israel knows this too. Why do you think they want to attack the places where the bombs are attempting to be made? Because if they wait until the bombs are ready, the bombs will be moved to every shrine or mosque inside of Iraq.

Perhaps the less said about Israel's concern for human rights, the better your argument might be served.

Originally Posted by uncommonman

Nobody wants to kill Iranians for sport or destroy long standing structures because it's fun to watch them fall down. The madmen in charge in Iran have to know that they cannot win a war with the US. Israel could probably beat them in a one on one fight. I just cannot comprehend why they would put their own people at such a risk. They have little to gain and much to lose.

You just answered your own question.

Originally Posted by uncommonman

I would love to go to Iran and shake the beans out of that little fellow and tell him to wake the fuck up! (Not the boy in the street...Ahmadenijad.)

A very good idea. And while you are at it, pay a visit to Washington and Tel Aviv for a similar exercise. :waving:

i dont necessarily think we should bomb the hell out of anyone, however, if countries in the middle east like iran, and north korea continue to make threatening moves towards the US, we need to take the first action.