Thread: Divisive Politics is killing the United States.

Divided we fall

The problem with our country at this time isn't foreign threats. It isn't crime and punishment. What is truly killing this nation is divisive stances taken by a two party system that seems to be more intent to fight each other on every issue. If our leaders cannot learn to tolerate the others political stances and come together when it matters how will we be able to cope with the nations problems? It is not needful that they agree on everything but it is needful that they come together and work for the greater good on issues that matter to the average citizen. Education, economy, fuel costs, rapid response to natural disaster, balanced budget, stream lining expenditures, and yes accounting for funds spent for the natural interest.

Often times both parties seem more intent on mocking and h arranging the other party than actually working on compromises that can affect needed reform and change within our nations economy. Government should be adaptable and responsive to changing domestic, and foreign crisis that come up from time to time. Sadly have any of us seen any flexibility within either party lately? Often issues facing this nation are not black and white often there is a area that can be considered a gray zone that asks the hard questions that tests the very foundation of liberty itself.

This nation I argue was founded on compromise and adaption. I will defend this assertion by the fact that indeed the founding fathers did compromise on many issues when determining the final draft of the constitution and they left this compact of our nations country in such away as it can be ammended if the need arose. Granted both sides have done things that have caused harm to the national interest but placing blame and saying it's someone else's' fault has failed. The blame game will not resolve the issues facing this nation. We can argue among ourselves and blame the president congress and the judiciary but the fact remains that there is enough blame to go around and we should at least try and forgo the normal political cha-cha dance and take responsibility for our nation and renew our commitment to strengthen our liberty and compromise for the sake of us all.

There cannot be compromise between contradictory philosophies. One wins and the other loses on every bill and every vote. That said, I'm currently working on a political platform which is meant to foster a kind of compromise that has nothing to do with partisan political philosophies, but is intended, simply, to make government more efficient and less expensive.

Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

There cannot be compromise between contradictory philosophies. One wins and the other loses on every bill and every vote. That said, I'm currently working on a political platform which is meant to foster a kind of compromise that has nothing to do with partisan political philosophies, but is intended, simply, to make government more efficient and less expensive.

If leadership is effective leadership then the members of the GOP and the DNC would be willing to be diplomatic concerning this nations interests. I'm not attacking your statements I'm just point out that is why true reform is needed. We need term limits. We need limitations put on special interest lobbies. Lobbies that give speaking engagement fees to congressional members for so called "speaking engagements". Which is actually nothing more than bribes to curry favor and support for their legislation.

Originally Posted by deepthought

If leadership is effective leadership then the members of the GOP and the DNC would be willing to be diplomatic concerning this nations interests. I'm not attacking your statements I'm just point out that is why true reform is needed. We need term limits. We need limitations put on special interest lobbies. Lobbies that give speaking engagement fees to congressional members for so called "speaking engagements". Which is actually nothing more than bribes to curry favor and support for their legislation.

I agree for the most part.

Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

I agree for the most part.

You reckon I should have dumbed down my posts so others would be willing to participate in this discussion?

I did not previously respond because, for example, on your first four issues I consider governmental participation in any of them to be an open and shut dictatorial power grab:

PC education is worse than no education
Economy. Government participation in the economy is the problem.
Fuel costs. see above.
Disaster: I live in Florida due to the Florida plan:
Follow instructions for getting out on your own.
If you can't get out on your own call up and tell the cops (non-911) then follow the further instructions you will get.
You don't follow instructions too bad, evolution in action will follow.

If you live below sea level in the hurricane zone or buy land in a flood plain you are the place to insert the Chlorine into the gene pool. Likewise for living in an earthquake zone, blizzard zone and so forth. Fools die. This is good.

Originally Posted by william the wierd

I did not previously respond because, for example, on your first four issues I consider governmental participation in any of them to be an open and shut dictatorial power grab:

PC education is worse than no education
Economy. Government participation in the economy is the problem.
Fuel costs. see above.
Disaster: I live in Florida due to the Florida plan:
Follow instructions for getting out on your own.
If you can't get out on your own call up and tell the cops (non-911) then follow the further instructions you will get.
You don't follow instructions too bad, evolution in action will follow.

If you live below sea level in the hurricane zone or buy land in a flood plain you are the place to insert the Chlorine into the gene pool. Likewise for living in an earthquake zone, blizzard zone and so forth. Fools die. This is good.

Sorry will you have no idea what I mean on anything. As for education I'm talking about making sure that the states get funding they need for education iniatives that train people for the future. I could give a rats ass about political correctness. Further the government giving tax credits to companies that they can use to re-invest in their business and into training their workers isn't a bad thing. Disaster can happen at anytime anywhere. Not just in the areas your describing. We need a more efficient disaster relief plan. Further you discount inter state crimes. Which requires federal intervention simply because a criminal running a criminal enterprise in multiple states has to be by virtue a federal matter. The federal governments main powers is to regulate interstate and international trade. This is a power of the federal government that is in the constitution. So care to try again.

Originally Posted by deepthought

Sorry will you have no idea what I mean on anything. As for education I'm talking about making sure that the states get funding they need for education iniatives that train people for the future. I could give a rats ass about political correctness. Further the government giving tax credits to companies that they can use to re-invest in their business and into training their workers isn't a bad thing. Disaster can happen at anytime anywhere. Not just in the areas your describing. We need a more efficient disaster relief plan. Further you discount inter state crimes. Which requires federal intervention simply because a criminal running a criminal enterprise in multiple states has to be by virtue a federal matter. The federal governments main powers is to regulate interstate and international trade. This is a power of the federal government that is in the constitution. So care to try again.

Your solution is my problem. BS PC excuses are the royal road to police states so please wipe the jackboots before entering.

Originally Posted by william the wierd

Your solution is my problem. BS PC excuses are the royal road to police states so please wipe the jackboots before entering.

There is nothing in my post that is at all fascist and I resent your even saying that it is.

Many of us are products of public education. In fact if it wasn't for public schools many of us wouldn't have a education. Government using funds to enhance education and training centers to create knowledgeable workers and further giving people the oppurtunity to improve themselves is preferable than the welfare state that many have been abusing for years.

Further interstate crime is a jurisdiction of the federal government.

Whether you like it or not stream lining expenditures and balancing the budget are what are needed. Face it what better ideas have you got?

Originally Posted by deepthought

There is nothing in my post that is at all fascist and I resent your even saying that it is.

Many of us are products of public education. In fact if it wasn't for public schools many of us wouldn't have a education. Government using funds to enhance education and training centers to create knowledgeable workers and further giving people the oppurtunity to improve themselves is preferable than the welfare state that many have been abusing for years.

Further interstate crime is a jurisdiction of the federal government.

Whether you like it or not stream lining expenditures and balancing the budget are what are needed. Face it what better ideas have you got?

I have to agree with you Deepthought and I too have no idea how William came up with his comment. There is a lot in a name sometimes. I also agree with your next to the last sentence. And I'm a liberal.