Thread: Can we leave now?

Five years(not months Jr.) a trillion dollars(no Jr., not oil money) over 4000 US troops Dead and tens of thousands totally fucked up, about a million Iraqi's dead, and still no end in sight!!!!! It is time to leave now, we broke it bad enough, we will never be able to fix it.



04/06/08 KUNA: Gunmen set Baghdad''s largest food market on fire
Armed groups had set a major food market on fire, which also resulted in torching a number of government outposts and police departments in the process, eyewitnesses said on Sunday.
04/06/08 ABC: On the Ground With U.S. Troops in Sadr City
Sadr City, the oppressively poor Shiite neighborhood on the north end of Baghdad, is now the front line in the fight create security in the Iraqi capital.
04/06/08 LATimes: Five Americans, up to 22 Iraqis killed
Three American soldiers died from rocket attacks in Baghdad today, while fighting between Shiite cleric Muqtada Sadr's Mahdi Army militia and U.S.-led forces paralyzed the capital's Sadr City neighborhood and left up to 22 Iraqis dead.
04/06/08 BBC: US soldiers killed in Green Zone
Three US service personnel have been killed and 31 wounded by rocket attacks on the Green Zone and a base elsewhere in Baghdad...The rocket attack at 1530...on the Green Zone...killed two personnel and wounded at least 17.
04/06/08 MNF: More bodies unearthed at mass grave
Coalition forces discovered six more bodies at a mass grave north of Muqdadiyah Iraq, April 6. All the bodies showed signs of torture. Previously, nine bodies were discovered near the same location April 2.
04/06/08 Reuters: 22 people killed, 55 wounded in clashes
22 people were killed and 55 wounded in clashes between U.S., Iraqi soldiers and gunmen in the Shi'ite Sadr city district of eastern Baghdad, police said. The U.S. military said a helicopter air strike had killed nine "criminals" in the area...
04/06/08 AP: Sunnis, Kurds back Iraqi PM on crackdown
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s faltering crackdown on Shiite militants has won the backing of Sunni Arab and Kurdish parties that fear both the powerful sectarian militias and the effects of failure on Iraq’s fragile government.
04/06/08 wchstv: Ohio Marines heading back to Iraq
Ten Ohio-based Marine reservists are heading back to Iraq this summer. Officials say nine of the Lima Company reservists fought in Iraq when 23 of their fellow Marines were killed in 2005. It became the hardest hit unit to fight...
04/06/08 Reuters: Seven neighbourhood security forces killed near Samarra
Seven members of a neighbourhood security force were killed during fighting with al Qaeda militants near the city of Samarra, 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
04/06/08 Reuters: Two policemen wounded by mortar fre in Sadr city
Two policemen were wounded when two mortar rounds landed on a police station in the Sadr city district, police said. Three police vehicles were damaged in the attack.
04/06/08 Reuters: Seven bodies found in Baghdad on Saturday
The bodies of seven people were found in different parts of Baghdad on Saturday, police said.
04/06/08 Reuters: Woman's body found near Kirkuk
The body of a woman was found with gunshot wounds near Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
04/06/08 Reuters: Iraqi army kills 17 millitants
The Iraqi army killed 17 militants and arrested 51 others in different areas across Iraq over last 24 hours, the army said.
04/06/08 Reuters: Death toll in Baghdad clashes reaches 20, hospital officials say
The death toll from clashes between US forces and gunmen in Baghdad's Sadr City has risen to 20, Iraqi hospital officials said on Sunday. Iraqi police said fighting broke out in the early hours of Sunday in Sadr City, stronghold of the Mehdi Army...
04/06/08 Reuters: Iraq students freed after mass kidnapping
A group of at least 40 students kidnapped by gunmen on Sunday near the northern city of Mosul have been freed by Iraqi security forces, police said. "The kidnapped students have been freed by the Iraqi army and police,"....
04/06/08 CNN: Students kidnapped by Iraqi gunmen
Gunmen took at least 42 college students hostage in northern Iraq Sunday, according to police in Iraq's Nineveh police province. The gunmen stopped two buses loaded with students who were on their way to their college, but one bus managed to escape...

dont hold your breath

Good idea.

Then we can use our forces to attack Iran.

Seriously Michael, even you should acknowledge that 4,000 dead and a few hundred billion dollars is pretty cheap for a war.

And regarding the comment about Iran.

I'm not completely joking.

A number of what you would call "war critics" have criticized the Iraq invasion mainly because they think we should be preparing for war against other targets.

For example. for all his anti Iraq War rhetoric, Democratic Congressman John Murtha is hardly a man of peace.

If you read many of his comments you will find that he wants the U.S. out of Iraq so the U.S. military can be prepared for war with the Chinese in the not so distant future.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

Good idea.

Then we can use our forces to attack Iran.

Seriously Michael, even you should acknowledge that 4,000 dead and a few hundred billion dollars is pretty cheap for a war.

And regarding the comment about Iran.

I'm not completely joking.

A number of what you would call "war critics" have criticized the Iraq invasion mainly because they think we should be preparing for war against other targets.

For example. for all his anti Iraq War rhetoric, Democratic Congressman John Murtha is hardly a man of peace.

If you read many of his comments you will find that he wants the U.S. out of Iraq so the U.S. military can be prepared for war with the Chinese in the not so distant future.

You kill me, look lets add the suicides to the dead, 150 a week in 05 alone, then lets add the numbers that do not actually die in Iraq, those numbers are hidden. Then lets look at the hundred or so thousand wounded, while your at it count the cost of the war with some accuracy would you, 500 billion borrowed dollars and growing.

Your war mongering does a total injustice to you, go sign up then beat the drums of war.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

Good idea.

Then we can use our forces to attack Iran.

Seriously Michael, even you should acknowledge that 4,000 dead and a few hundred billion dollars is pretty cheap for a war.

And regarding the comment about Iran.

I'm not completely joking.

A number of what you would call "war critics" have criticized the Iraq invasion mainly because they think we should be preparing for war against other targets.

For example. for all his anti Iraq War rhetoric, Democratic Congressman John Murtha is hardly a man of peace.

If you read many of his comments you will find that he wants the U.S. out of Iraq so the U.S. military can be prepared for war with the Chinese in the not so distant future.

I'm not sure I'd stop at 4,000 when claiming the total loss. I certainly wouldn't call that cheap. I'm still waiting to get the correct figure of human beings that this war will cost so I can be better prepared on my way to having to accept it.

One of the issues I have with this so called war on terrorism in Iraq is how much focus is taken away from more immediate and important issues that this country faces. Immigration, health, the recession, unemployment, and the credit crunch to name a few. I see a lot of posters bitch about these things, but we as a country are not going to able to do anything about them until we are out Iraq.

Originally Posted by steezer

One of the issues I have with this so called war on terrorism in Iraq is how much focus is taken away from more immediate and important issues that this country faces. Immigration, health, the recession, unemployment, and the credit crunch to name a few. I see a lot of posters bitch about these things, but we as a country are not going to able to do anything about them until we are out Iraq.

The federal govt. SHOULD NOT be doing anything about those things you mentioned.

The federal govt. should fight wars and explore space.

That should be about the extent of their efforts.

Originally Posted by michaelr

You kill me, look lets add the suicides to the dead, 150 a week in 05 alone, then lets add the numbers that do not actually die in Iraq, those numbers are hidden. Then lets look at the hundred or so thousand wounded, while your at it count the cost of the war with some accuracy would you, 500 billion borrowed dollars and growing.

Your war mongering does a total injustice to you, go sign up then beat the drums of war.

If you are going to count sucidents and other deaths, then count those that died from 1991 to 2003 during the "containment" of Iraq.

The death toll for that period rises well into the hundreds.

If we had "contained" Iraq another 20 years, the death toll from "containment" would easily be in the thousands.

NOT INVADING Iraq was hardly a cheap and bloodless option.

[quote=Dayton3;546726]Good idea.

Then we can use our forces to attack Iran.

Seriously Michael, even you should acknowledge that 4,000 dead and a few hundred billion dollars is pretty cheap for a war.


Spoken like a man who has never seen combat & sits heroically behind his keyboard in a nice safe, warm house. Hey!!!....That sounds allot like Bush & Cheney!

Originally Posted by Dayton3

The federal govt. SHOULD NOT be doing anything about those things you mentioned.

The federal govt. should fight wars and explore space.

That should be about the extent of their efforts.

I believe the country as a whole should focus on these things. Now that we are in a war that was prepackaged to us (there is evidence and I have the paperwork in my hands to prove it) it is very difficult to focus on those things. They will not take care of themselves and the government needs to have a role if you really must know.

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