Thread: how long can the media ignore it?

Not gonna go over the whole thread, but Ive seen nothing BUT this for the last 3 days and nights on all the cable news I watch (MSNBC, FOX, CNN)

Last night I was watching FOX and they were discussing this and admitted they werent going to "repeat" the video because we have already seen it so many times (of course they did go on "discussing" it).


Where have you been JOM ?

Originally Posted by Think for myself

Except for a few facts.

Saddam was Sunni. Bin Laden was Shia.

Saddam turned Iraq into a secular Muslim country. Bin Laden considered Afghanistan the only true Muslim country and is for the imposition of Sharia law.

Saddam saw Bin Laden as a threat to his rule.

Otherwise you were right on the money.

As was pointed out to me, I stand corrected on the Islamic sect affiliations of Saddam and Bin Laden.

Bin Laden is a Sunni, as was Saddam.

Originally Posted by Vortex

JOM, you don't get it - McCain wants the media to ignore Wright. He doesn't want it to be an issue because if the media does as you and others have done, if they saddle Obama with the words, thoughts and motives of another, then they will have to do the same for McCain.

Obama has Wright, McCain has Parsley, Robertson and Hagee.

Shall we play the offensive quote game. In numbers alone, McCain's 3 pastors have Wright beat. In terms of direct condemnation of other religions and people, McCain's pastors have Wright beat. And some have even blamed the US government for the 9/11 attacks. Can you imagine.

You are perfectly right. McCain won't use this and neither will Hilary. She has hers own black sheep.

One reason why this is having such an impact is that we know very little about who Obama is, and this is the first major story we are hearing about one environment in which he chooses to place himself.

Obviously people shouldn't see this as a deal breaker, but it is a legitimate issue, and Obama has to address it. And he did issue a rejection yesterday, though it's disappointing this it's just a standard boiler plate rejection of Wright's incendiary words.

What I find a little disingenuous is Obama's claims that he never heard or knew about Wright's messages after spending 20 years in his church. If you see any of these videos, it's hard to believe that Obama didn't know what kind of message the man at least on occasion proclaimed. You couldn't spend much time in that environment and not know, even if not directly from him.

And Wright was/is close to him. In addition to performing his wedding ceremony and baptizing his kids, Obama titled his book after one of Wright quotes. In his book, Obama professes that Wright was an important influence on him and his development. So theirs is not some distant relationship, nor is it one of peers. It's easier to laugh off the remarks of a friend, even a close one, than a mentor.

That said, I can't find anything that Obama has said or done directly to indicate that he shares Wright's anti-American and anti-white views. Unless you count him not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem or some of his wife comments. And neither are particularly damning.

Originally Posted by Merantes

What I find a little disingenuous is Obama's claims that he never heard or knew about Wright's messages after spending 20 years in his church.

"A little disingenuous" would be saying he knows how the preacher can
work himself up, but he just considers it the last echoes of the 60's.

Saying he never knew, and its all a big shock, is a huge mother fucking
Bill Clinton style lie-gasm.

Originally Posted by caffeine

Saddam's last gasp was something about an American Football team?

Hilarious!!!

Originally Posted by bla bla

"A little disingenuous" would be saying he knows how the preacher can
work himself up, but he just considers it the last echoes of the 60's.

Saying he never knew, and its all a big shock, is a huge mother fucking
Bill Clinton style lie-gasm.

True, true. Sometimes I use euphemism to emphasisze not downplay. A habit I picked up from several marines and one Nobel laureate.

Originally Posted by Michele

Not gonna go over the whole thread, but Ive seen nothing BUT this for the last 3 days and nights on all the cable news I watch (MSNBC, FOX, CNN)

Last night I was watching FOX and they were discussing this and admitted they werent going to "repeat" the video because we have already seen it so many times (of course they did go on "discussing" it).


Where have you been JOM ?

Yes FOX, if you want fair and balanced go to FOX. They were reporting it on Thursday. MSM was ignoringing it or bearing it. ABC had nothing, NBC twenty seconds according to ORielly tonight. NYT buried it, recall how they put the bogus McCain scandal on the front page?

It can't be ignored now and it is going to be a major problem for Obama. He's desperately avoiding any questioning on it now choosing to "give a speech" tomorrow and racism, as he obviously has learned from his most important mentor, in general. He needs to call a press conference and open the floor. And it appears they have already caught him lying about never having heard Wright say these types of things. That kind of talk was all over the church webpage before they removed it today. The clips you are seeing on the news are from video's the church produces and sells. And reports today of people saying he was at those sermons.

If he tried to lie his way out of it he toast. And just recall how Trent Lott have to resign as President of the Senate for just saying one nice thing about Strom Thurmond.

Obama claims to be a uniter, he will bring us all together, but by his own admission his character and beliefs have been formed by a racist bigoted preacher in a church that supports racist views.

Originally Posted by Stinger

Yes FOX, if you want fair and balanced go to FOX.

Seriously, this is not the humor section

Originally Posted by Stinger

And just recall how Trent Lott have to resign as President of the Senate for just saying one nice thing about Strom Thurmond.

If praising racist policies is what you call nice, what do you consider ignorant or mean?

Originally Posted by Stinger

....That kind of talk was all over the church webpage before they removed it today. The clips you are seeing on the news are from video's the church produces and sells. And reports today of people saying he was at those sermons......

Wow you are correct!! They have now changed their website. They removed the whole "unwavering commitment to Africa" stuff. Aparently it was not unwavering.

And now they actually mention Christ in the website.

Originally Posted by Think for myself

Seriously, this is not the humor section

Is that the best you got when it comes to specious comments?

Who covered it fairly? FOX.

If praising racist policies is what you call nice, what do you consider ignorant or mean?

He made a stupid comment trying to be nice to an old man, he didn't say he was one of the most important mentors in his life, he didn't say he was his spiritual leader, he didn't let him do his marriage ceremony, he didn't let him baptize his children, he didn't go to hear him preach about what kind of man he should be and what moral guidelines he should lead his life by. So why did it disqualify him from being President of the Senate and shouldn't Obama's association disqualify him from being President of the United States?