Thread: Partisans: You are America's Enemy

It is getting to the point in this country where facts don't count, the truth is shrouded in mindless finger pointing, and discussion of the issues revolves around which political party sucks less.

While the objectives of an elitist group of people are being carried out, so many have blinded themselves in the wrong fight. It's not about principle anymore to so many: it's about glorifying themselves to win the political game. And the game is a facade to keep the American citizens at bay while the elitists rape our country, so that they can continue to manipulate the system and craft it so that it will always benefit them and their future generations.

The greatest achievements that have benefited the American individual have been because of people cooperating and uniting to achieve the same goal. They haven't always agreed on the means to get to that goal of justice for the American citizen, but they both realized we are all Americans and deserve individual liberty. And the fact that we all have different opinions can be a strength if we want it to be. Diverse opinions bring new ideas to those that are willing to see them. And that is precisely why partisans who write off, label and insult those that disagree with them are America's true enemy.

The labeling that you partisans engage in (you know who you are) is creating mindless rhetoric that has no substance. Anyone who adheres to a pre-fabricated mindset, anyone who worships political leaders and buys into the cult of personality, anyone who attacks their fellow American because of political affiliation, and anyone who would rather fight their partisan fight instead of fighting for true justice in the name of the sovereign American citizen is an enemy to America.

Partisans: Go back to bed, and come out when you are ready to face reality. Because frankly, as long as you are willing to engage in partisan hackery that relies on a pre-set template of thought, you are fighting the wrong fight. And that fight will damage our country, and consequently damage your children's country. The two party system is not real anymore: it is a tool to keep up divided. Partisans, you are merely pawns in their game.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

It is getting to the point in this country where facts don't count, the truth is shrouded in mindless finger pointing, and discussion of the issues revolves around which political party sucks less.

While the objectives of an elitist group of people are being carried out, so many have blinded themselves in the wrong fight. It's not about principle anymore to so many: it's about glorifying themselves to win the political game. And the game is a facade to keep the American citizens at bay while the elitists rape our country, so that they can continue to manipulate the system and craft it so that it will always benefit them and their future generations.

The greatest achievements that have benefited the American individual have been because of people cooperating and uniting to achieve the same goal. They haven't always agreed on the means to get to that goal of justice for the American citizen, but they both realized we are all Americans and deserve individual liberty. And the fact that we all have different opinions can be a strength if we want it to be. Diverse opinions bring new ideas to those that are willing to see them. And that is precisely why partisans who write off, label and insult those that disagree with them are America's true enemy.

The labeling that you partisans engage in (you know who you are) is creating mindless rhetoric that has no substance. Anyone who adheres to a pre-fabricated mindset, anyone who worships political leaders and buys into the cult of personality, anyone who attacks their fellow American because of political affiliation, and anyone who would rather fight their partisan fight instead of fighting for true justice in the name of the sovereign American citizen is an enemy to America.

Partisans: Go back to bed, and come out when you are ready to face reality. Because frankly, as long as you are willing to engage in partisan hackery that relies on a pre-set template of thought, you are fighting the wrong fight. And that fight will damage our country, and consequently damage your children's country. The two party system is not real anymore: it is a tool to keep up divided. Partisans, you are merely pawns in their game.

I actually find Barack to be a potentially non-partisan leader. His focus is on leadership in and of itself.

And that said, I am certain that I will not want to move to Canada in January of 2009, because none of the likely candidates offend me as much as the current president. Is that not non-partisan?

Originally Posted by Davocrat

I actually find Barack to be a potentially non-partisan leader. His focus is on leadership in and of itself.

And that said, I am certain that I will not want to move to Canada in January of 2009, because none of the likely candidates offend me as much as the current president. Is that not non-partisan?

I think of partisanship as refusing to accept the reality of an issue because the reality contradicts with a preconcieved notion based on generalities such as political affiliation or ideology.

And/or attacking and labeling someone that is their "enemy" in the political arena, instead if attacking the argument and points therein.

I don't agree with much of Obama's proposed policy, and that's what I form my opinion on, rather than the fact he is a democrat, or republican for that matter.

Partisans put all of their argument in mindless generalities.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

...mindless generalities.

That's how I see libertarianism.

Not that Democrats and Republicans are so much better, but libertarianism is a vague feel-good label that allows the adherent to not be a "fascist" or a fruit, but not really propose anything other than an unrealistically archaic constitutional dogma.

Originally Posted by Davocrat

That's how I see libertarianism.

Not that Democrats and Republicans are so much better, but libertarianism is a vague feel-good label that allows the adherent to not be a "fascist" or a fruit, but not really propose anything other than an unrealistically archaic constitutional dogma.

Davey....what the hell is that bolded section supposed to mean?

And no, Libertarians aren't populists, its just that we are all Libertarians at heart, so our message will always be 'popular'.

Blueneck, hun, show me one Democrat who isn't pro-choice and I'll consider crossing party lines.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

It is getting to the point in this country where facts don't count, the truth is shrouded in mindless finger pointing, and discussion of the issues revolves around which political party sucks less.

While the objectives of an elitist group of people are being carried out, so many have blinded themselves in the wrong fight. It's not about principle anymore to so many: it's about glorifying themselves to win the political game. And the game is a facade to keep the American citizens at bay while the elitists rape our country, so that they can continue to manipulate the system and craft it so that it will always benefit them and their future generations.

The greatest achievements that have benefited the American individual have been because of people cooperating and uniting to achieve the same goal. They haven't always agreed on the means to get to that goal of justice for the American citizen, but they both realized we are all Americans and deserve individual liberty. And the fact that we all have different opinions can be a strength if we want it to be. Diverse opinions bring new ideas to those that are willing to see them. And that is precisely why partisans who write off, label and insult those that disagree with them are America's true enemy.

The labeling that you partisans engage in (you know who you are) is creating mindless rhetoric that has no substance. Anyone who adheres to a pre-fabricated mindset, anyone who worships political leaders and buys into the cult of personality, anyone who attacks their fellow American because of political affiliation, and anyone who would rather fight their partisan fight instead of fighting for true justice in the name of the sovereign American citizen is an enemy to America.

Partisans: Go back to bed, and come out when you are ready to face reality. Because frankly, as long as you are willing to engage in partisan hackery that relies on a pre-set template of thought, you are fighting the wrong fight. And that fight will damage our country, and consequently damage your children's country. The two party system is not real anymore: it is a tool to keep up divided. Partisans, you are merely pawns in their game.

This is one of the most accurate posts I have ever read here on PH. It's as though I was speaking to the screen as I read it... Three greens for this one Buster Douglas....

Man BG I owe you so many greens for this piece. IT MAKES YOU WANT TO SLAM YOUR HEAD ON A TREE. Whats worse IMO they trash the media non favorite within their own party, fucking brain dead enemies of this nation!!

The questions for me are:

When does the yuck point get reached? The rise of the Dem party was based on the election of 1824 and a crappy deal cut in congress. The rise of the republicans in the 1850s was a result of the deals made by whigs turning the stomachs of voters as much as it was about slavery. Until the yuck point is reached no real change will be made.

Are there alternative solutions that are both available and reasonable? Both majors persist because of a lack of alternatives. Take the Dems for example in nearly 200 years only twice have they managed three or more consecutive terms:1829-41 and FDR. The Republicans managed 1869-81 (Andrew Johnson was a democrat so he broke the run), 1897-1913, 1921-33 and 1981-93. As corrupt as the Republicans have been ever since Lincoln's first term army procurement scandals obviously the Dems would not have survived without a felt need for an alternative to Whig/Republican corruption. So this standard is not high but it does exist and both major parties are sinking below it, if Root or Paul get the nomination the LP will have sunk below it too.


I think Dean's handling of the Florida primary may marginalize the Democratic party from 2008 on so the yuck point may have been reached. Whether real alternatives will be offered to the American public is in greater doubt.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

I think of partisanship as refusing to accept the reality of an issue because the reality contradicts with a preconcieved notion based on generalities such as political affiliation or ideology.

Yes, exactly! BINGO!!!

In my vocabulary, the partisan "models" are "erroneous". Outdated, antiquated, "contbradicted by facts in evidence", etc. But, this is tru for "most" institutions, whose model acquire "inertia" that way. The problem is, that the fundamental assumptions keep getting invalidated by "new evidence", but people don't bother to circle around and keep their models up to date.

The "partisanship", piece, though, is much more insidious. It's like, "rah-rah for my model-du-jour, and everyone else's is wrong". Well, that results in the same kind of people that tried to burn Copernicus at the stake, and his only crime, was telling the truth!

Yes, I agree, partisanship brings some bad things to the table. I mean, look around at all these therads here.... "liberals = Nazis", you know.... that's pretty idiotic stuff, generally speaking. Especially when the conservative standard-bearer is torturing people for a living.... in "my" name, no less.....

Yep. Evil things are brought to the table. And I mean, all that really is, is a skewing of the value system, right? When the "I'm right" becomes more important than "human rights", we ALL got a problem!

Originally Posted by Davocrat

That's how I see libertarianism.

Not that Democrats and Republicans are so much better, but libertarianism is a vague feel-good label that allows the adherent to not be a "fascist" or a fruit, but not really propose anything other than an unrealistically archaic constitutional dogma.

Yes, trying to return to something that works is unrealistic. It would be much better if we all dressed up in sheets and went dancing in the street singing Harry Obamakrishna or something. That'll solve the problem.

The problems this country faces is simple:

The government spends too much.

The government taxes too much.

The government interferes in people's lives too much.

Any proposed "solution" that increases any of the above will only make the problems worse.

Life really is that simple.

What's the mantra of the Twentieth Century politics in America?

Give a little to get a little.

The one thing our politicians aren't is "partisan". Their squabbles are rarely ideological and mainly bad street theatre combined with three-card Monte.

Now that our poltiicians have compromised our children's futures away, can we now say it's time to cut that crap out, and start recovering the freedoms that made this country great, or do we have to surrender the 40% that remains of our paycheck and the rest of our freedoms in a futile attempt to achieve a utopian goal of socialism that simply has never been feasible?