So is that what is meant by victory? When Iraqi forces are trained? I could handle that. I am not fully against Iraq. I don't fully disagree with those who think we should stay. I think they sound foolish when they say we should stay until we have sealed victory without having a clue what the parameters of victory are. We can not defeat terrorism alone. Lets stay, train Iraqi forces and get out. I am good with that. I don't believe that it would take 100 years to train them though, so I wonder what McCains parameters of victory are?

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