Thread: Is equal enough enough?

Hillary, woman. Obama, black man.

There’s been a lot of talk about what race means in this race. And there should be. An African-American in the White House would be the largest step this country has ever experienced en route to truly achieving racial equality. Amidst the excitement surrounding Barak Obama's inspiring campaign, it seems we might have forgotten that we've never had a female in office either; a step that would result in an equally significant progression towards reaching a level gender equality that our nation's woman have yet to fully experience.

Some thoughts:

When CNN correspondents were scurrying to find out why young women in Iowa voted for Obama as opposed to Hillary, some suggested that young women no longer feel that gender is an issue in American culture anymore.
Do women really not care that they get paid 20% less than men for a position that they're equally qualified for?
Do women really not care that, in spite of the supposed "family values" of this country, the maternity leave laws in this country pale in comparison to Europe and even Canada?

Do women really not care that Hollywood will bankroll a popcorn film starring a 21-year old celebutante as opposed to a talented actress over the age of 40?

Do women really not care that the U.S., the most powerful and "progressive" country in the world has never had a female president?

Do women really not care when the media consistently shows a bias against a sole female candidate by consistently crafting negative headlines and stories against her – even when she triumphs?

This is a race for arguably the most important public office in the world -- an office with a history that has been thoroughly dominated by the white male. As much as we’d like to try, gender or race in this election simply cannot be overlooked.

If this weren’t true, there would probably be no real competition between Obama and Hillary. Hillary has devoted her life to public service, helping pave the way for women, African-Americans, children and the underprivileged since her high school years. Obama, a first-term senator, was a civil rights lawyer before turning to public office.

The significance of a woman winning this election is just as monumental as it would be if a black man did, if not more. African-American men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have run for president before -- but a woman never has, much less a qualified woman. And although gender and race are both hot-button civil rights issues, the gender issue crosses racial lines.
We've surely experienced some major strides and progress in the fight for equality and civil rights, but make no mistake, what Hillary's fighting for demands any and every woman's close attention. The historical significance and potential impact will change the landscape for the way we as a nation view gender forever.

We cannot and should not discount the fact that a win for Hillary is every woman’s win.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

We cannot and should not discount the fact that a win for Hillary is every woman’s win.

What about the women that don't want to be the slaves of socialist elitist snob rapist enabling women presidents?

That was pretty funny.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

When CNN correspondents were scurrying to find out why young women in Iowa voted for Obama as opposed to Hillary, some suggested that young women no longer feel that gender is an issue in American culture anymore.

I would attribute that turn of events to Oprah Winfrey more than anything else.

Do women really not care that they get paid 20% less than men for a position that they're equally qualified for?
Do women really not care that, in spite of the supposed "family values" of this country, the maternity leave laws in this country pale in comparison to Europe and even Canada?

If they care about your phony little factoids, they have bit of catching up to do in the reality department.

Do women really not care that Hollywood will bankroll a popcorn film starring a 21-year old celebutante as opposed to a talented actress over the age of 40?

What does this have to do with the presidential office, or even the idea of "gender politics?"

Do women really not care that the U.S., the most powerful and "progressive" country in the world has never had a female president?

A smart woman would vote for the best qualified candidate regardless of sex.

Do women really not care when the media consistently shows a bias against a sole female candidate by consistently crafting negative headlines and stories against her – even when she triumphs?

This is a joke, right?
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If this weren’t true, there would probably be no real competition between Obama and Hillary. Hillary has devoted her life to public service, helping pave the way for women, African-Americans, children and the underprivileged since her high school years. Obama, a first-term senator, was a civil rights lawyer before turning to public office.

And both of them suck. Vote Ron Paul.

We cannot and should not discount the fact that a win for Hillary is every woman’s win.

Thank you for this wonderful testament to good old-fashioned dirty and divisive identity politics.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Some thoughts:

When CNN correspondents were scurrying to find out why young women in Iowa voted for Obama as opposed to Hillary, some suggested that young women no longer feel that gender is an issue in American culture anymore.
Do women really not care that they get paid 20% less than men for a position that they're equally qualified for?

They probably don't believe in the Easter Bunny either. If women did equal work for 20% less pay, men wouldn't be able to find jobs.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Do women really not care that, in spite of the supposed "family values" of this country, the maternity leave laws in this country pale in comparison to Europe and even Canada?

The women that care can leave, can't they?

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Do women really not care that Hollywood will bankroll a popcorn film starring a 21-year old celebutante as opposed to a talented actress over the age of 40?

No. No one cares. For some reason Cher didn't audition for a starring role in Bratz.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Do women really not care that the U.S., the most powerful and "progressive" country in the world has never had a female president?

Fortunately, we're not so crippled with socialism yet that we've wanted to shoot ourselves. Progressive, of course, is just one of those misleading liar words to hide the word socialism.

We've never had a female president because we've never had a female candidate able to do the job. It's 2008, and we still don't have a female candidate who can be trusted with the job.

[quote=Robster Craw;471888]Do women really not care when the media consistently shows a bias against a sole female candidate by consistently crafting negative headlines and stories against her – even when she triumphs?[//quote]

If it's true, it's not negative. If the Red Queen doesn't like the stories, she shouldn't have take bribe money disguised as "cattle futures earning" and she should have remembered when she shredded her Rose Law Firm billing records and reported that promptly to the investigators who requested to see them, and she could have helped the File Gate investigation greatly if she admitted not only that she knew who hired Craig Livinston but that she's willing to talk about why she did it.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

This is a race for arguably the most important public office in the world -- an office with a history that has been thoroughly dominated by the white male. As much as we’d like to try, gender or race in this election simply cannot be overlooked.

Sure it can be. Can't see that a **** will make a better president than a dick, nor should a permanent tan make the difference, either. Perhaps we shold focus on issues. Like not only asking why did Hillary fire Billy Dale but then falsely accuse him of tax fraud and evasion to get the IRS to audit him, but asking how many times is she going to do it if enough of us are stupid enough to vote for her?

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

If this weren’t true, there would probably be no real competition between Obama and Hillary.

There is no competiton between Obama and Hillary. One's running in the lead because of his skin color, the other's in the lead because of her twat, and there's no significant difference in what they say. They both sound like this "vote for meeee. I want to sell your children down the riverrrrrr!".

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Hillary has devoted her life to public service,

No, she's devoted her life to being the wife of a rapist philandering corrupt politician. Who certainly demanded that she give lip service to him, but that never helped anyone else.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

helping pave the way for women, African-Americans, children and the underprivileged since her high school years. Obama, a first-term senator, was a civil rights lawyer before turning to public office.

Obama is a slime bucket lawyer, too. Since they're lawyers, they're corrupt. No one in their right mind would vote for them.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

The significance of a woman winning this election is just as monumental as it would be if a black man did, if not more.

No. Less. A bimbo candidate can excite a huge mob of newbie bimbos who never voted before. A black candidate can expect to take 90-95% of the black vote...oh, wait, if he's a Democrat, he's going to get that anyway. A black president winning would be much more significant.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

African-American men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have run for president before -- but a woman never has, much less a qualified woman.

I didn't know someone had to have qualifications to be a woman. Physical attributes, yes, but not qualifications, which implies some sort of test. This must be something they don't bother to inform males about.

Given that Hillary has less than eight years in the Senate, and NO OTHER MEANINGFUL EXPERIENCE, she's less qualified to be a candidate than Obama, who may also, for all I know, have taken the test and is a closet qualified woman.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

And although gender and race are both hot-button civil rights issues, the gender issue crosses racial lines.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

We've surely experienced some major strides and progress in the fight for equality and civil rights, but make no mistake, what Hillary's fighting for demands any and every woman's close attention.

Yes. Hillary wants to be loved. She needs to have an election to prove to herself that she's a valued person, and if she doesn't win, she's going to cry, boo hoo hoo.

Women with their own self-respect should pay damn close attention to that shit.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

The historical significance and potential impact will change the landscape for the way we as a nation view gender forever.

No it won't. Men's equality isn't going to be restored to them if the Red Queen wins.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

We cannot and should not discount the fact that a win for Hillary is every woman’s win.

Since it's not a fact, it doesn't need discounting.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Hillary, woman. Obama, black man.

There’s been a lot of talk about what race means in this race. And there should be. An African-American in the White House would be the largest step this country has ever experienced en route to truly achieving racial equality. Amidst the excitement surrounding Barak Obama's inspiring campaign, it seems we might have forgotten that we've never had a female in office either; a step that would result in an equally significant progression towards reaching a level gender equality that our nation's woman have yet to fully experience.

Some thoughts:

When CNN correspondents were scurrying to find out why young women in Iowa voted for Obama as opposed to Hillary, some suggested that young women no longer feel that gender is an issue in American culture anymore.
Do women really not care that they get paid 20% less than men for a position that they're equally qualified for?
Do women really not care that, in spite of the supposed "family values" of this country, the maternity leave laws in this country pale in comparison to Europe and even Canada?

Do women really not care that Hollywood will bankroll a popcorn film starring a 21-year old celebutante as opposed to a talented actress over the age of 40?

Do women really not care that the U.S., the most powerful and "progressive" country in the world has never had a female president?

Do women really not care when the media consistently shows a bias against a sole female candidate by consistently crafting negative headlines and stories against her – even when she triumphs?

This is a race for arguably the most important public office in the world -- an office with a history that has been thoroughly dominated by the white male. As much as we’d like to try, gender or race in this election simply cannot be overlooked.

If this weren’t true, there would probably be no real competition between Obama and Hillary. Hillary has devoted her life to public service, helping pave the way for women, African-Americans, children and the underprivileged since her high school years. Obama, a first-term senator, was a civil rights lawyer before turning to public office.

The significance of a woman winning this election is just as monumental as it would be if a black man did, if not more. African-American men such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have run for president before -- but a woman never has, much less a qualified woman. And although gender and race are both hot-button civil rights issues, the gender issue crosses racial lines.
We've surely experienced some major strides and progress in the fight for equality and civil rights, but make no mistake, what Hillary's fighting for demands any and every woman's close attention. The historical significance and potential impact will change the landscape for the way we as a nation view gender forever.

We cannot and should not discount the fact that a win for Hillary is every woman’s win.

PEOPLE NEED TO QUIT FUCKING WITH THE FONT SIZES!

OY!

Freedom for all - you make me laugh outloud.

Voice of Reason:

Can a woman be vicitmized as a private sex toy without her consent? I may have missed Bill Clinton's rape conviction.

Hillary's a Christian who apparently values her vows. The fact that she hasn't left him I suppose makes her a good Christian, doesn't it? I'm not a Christian and am not saying that I agree with her choice, but in trying to understand a personal decision, I think your judgement is a little myopic.

Where do these politicans who double as angels exist? Especially ones who've undergone the extraordinarily well-funded right wing scrutiny that Hillary and Bill have?

I agree that gender shouldn't guide the vote. My point was, while media coverage has sensationalized Obama as the black man's resonation with the public, that same media, is mum regarding the signifigance of a woman's run for office.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Freedom for all - you make me laugh outloud.

Voice of Reason:

Can a woman be vicitmized as a private sex toy without her consent? I may have missed Bill Clinton's rape conviction.

Hillary's a Christian who apparently values her vows. The fact that she hasn't left him I suppose makes her a good Christian, doesn't it? I'm not a Christian and am not saying that I agree with her choice, but in trying to understand a personal decision, I think your judgement is a little myopic.

Where do these politicans who double as angels exist? Especially ones who've undergone the extraordinarily well-funded right wing scrutiny that Hillary and Bill have?

I agree that gender shouldn't guide the vote. My point was, while media coverage has sensationalized Obama as the black man's resonation with the public, that same media, is mum regarding the signifigance of a woman's run for office.

oh i don't agree with that. i'm actually glad that obama's race has been largely unmentioned, by him or the media. which is surprising actually, but good. THATS the sign of true progress, when you're looked at based on your actions, not on the fact that you're black.

there is also the idea that while i'm sure black people and women would love to have their respective group represented as potus, should the first of their group achieve that goal, and then fail miserably, will that hurt them more in the long run. will that prove the critics right that women and blacks can't run the country.

i mean that even happens with white males. gwb has made me question whether there are ANY qualified white males out there to run this country well.

Originally Posted by Freedom for All

PEOPLE NEED TO QUIT FUCKING WITH THE FONT SIZES!

OY!

at the top of a new message, theres a little drop down menu that lets you choose the size of the font you'd like. just try adjusting it next time. no need to get all excited.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Can a woman be vicitmized as a private sex toy without her consent? I may have missed Bill Clinton's rape conviction.

You seem to have missed the meaning and proper usage of the word "rape", too.

Also, I missed OJ Simpson's conviction for murder, but everyone stopped looking for Nicole Simpson and Ron Brown's killer when he was acquitted. Since I'm not a court of law (I'm not even a building), I don't have to apply the "beyond a reasonable doubt" nonsense when the reasonable evidence points to the criminal.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Hillary's a Christian who apparently values her vows.

Give or take the occassional affair with Vince Foster, Janet Reno, and Jocelyn Elders, not to mention the mysterious circumstances in the death of Buddy, the Chocolate Labrador.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

The fact that she hasn't left him I suppose makes her a good Christian, doesn't it?

No, it makes her an enabler. Not to mention the fact that each has too much dirt on the other to let them break up.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

I'm not a Christian and am not saying that I agree with her choice, but in trying to understand a personal decision, I think your judgement is a little myopic.

The Red Queen's "personal decision" to stay with Billy the Boy Rapist was based on getting elected Senator, then Presidentess.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Where do these politicans who double as angels exist?

They don't. It doesn't mean we should support the obviouis demoness.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

Especially ones who've undergone the extraordinarily well-funded right wing scrutiny that Hillary and Bill have?

Amazing, how all that evidence must be false because it was funded.

Originally Posted by Robster Craw

I agree that gender shouldn't guide the vote. My point was, while media coverage has sensationalized Obama as the black man's resonation with the public, that same media, is mum regarding the signifigance of a woman's run for office.

That's because it's not significant. When a woman finally runs, it will be significant. She-demons and bitches don't count.