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    New here but felt this needed to be posted:





    Fwd: "Old Salt" Hits Home Run



    WW II Battleship sailor tells Obama to shape up or ship out!



    This venerable & much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his 70-plus years of service to patriotic organizations & causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a gov't official -- until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.







    ----------- Dear President Obama,



    My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.



    I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.



    One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.. So here goes.



    I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.



    I can't figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends & enemies despicable lies like: " We're no longer a Christian nation." "America is arrogant" (Your wife even announced to the world," America is mean- spirited. "Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)



    I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.



    After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."



    Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.



    I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.



    Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.



    Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.



    And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.



    One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander- in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.



    You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president. You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now. And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.



    Sincerely,

    Harold B. Estes




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    And this one:



    The president without a country

    By Pat Boone

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    Posted: June 06, 2009

    1:00 am Eastern



    © 2009



    "We're no longer a Christian nation." – President Barack Obama, June 2007



    "America has been arrogant." – President Barack Obama



    "After 9/11, America didn't always live up to her ideals."



    – President Barack Obama



    "You might say that America is a Muslim nation."



    – President Barack Obama, Egypt 2009



    Thinking about these and other statements made by the man who wears the title of president … I keep wondering what country he believes he's president of.



    In one of my very favorite stories, Edward Everett Hale's "The Man without a Country," a young Army lieutenant named Philip Nolan stands condemned for treason during the Revolutionary War, having come under the influence of Aaron Burr. When the judge asks him if he wishes to say anything before sentence is passed, young Nolan defiantly exclaims, "Damn the United States! I wish I might never hear of the United States again!"



    The stunned silence in the courtroom is palpable, pulsing. After a long pause, the judge soberly says to the angry lieutenant: "You have just pronounced your own sentence. You will never hear of the United States again. I sentence you to spend the rest of your life at sea, on one or another of this country's naval vessels – under strict orders that no one will ever speak to you again about the country you have just cursed."



    And so it was. Philip Nolan was taken away and spent the next 40 years at sea, never hearing anything but an occasional slip of the tongue about America. The last few pages of the story, recounting Nolan's dying hours in his small stateroom – now turned into a shrine to the country he foreswore – never fail to bring me to tears. And I find my own love for this dream, this miracle called America, refreshed and renewed. I know how blessed and unique we are.



    Is Shariah law coming to a court near you? Get "Stealth Jihad" – Robert Spencer's expose about efforts to quietly establish the Muslim system in Amerca



    But reading and hearing the audacious, shocking statements of the man who was recently elected our president – a young black man living the impossible dream of millions of young Americans, past and present, black and white – I want to ask him, "Just what country do you think you're president of?"



    You surely can't be referring to the United States of America, can you? America is emphatically a Christian nation, and has been from its inception! Seventy percent of her citizens identify themselves as Christian. The Declaration of Independence and our Constitution were framed, written and ratified by Christians. It's because this was, and is, a nation built on and guided by Judeo-Christian biblical principles that you, sir, have had the inestimable privilege of being elected her president.



    You studied law at Harvard, didn't you, sir? You taught constitutional law in Chicago? Did you not ever read the statement of John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and an author of the landmark "Federalist Papers": "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers – and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation – to select and prefer Christians for their rulers"?



    In your studies, you surely must have read the decision of the Supreme Court in 1892: "Our lives and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian."



    Did your professors have you skip over all the high-court decisions right up till the mid 1900s that echoed and reinforced these views and intentions? Did you pick up the history of American jurisprudence only in 1947, when for the first time a phrase coined by Thomas Jefferson about a "wall of separation between church and state" was used to deny some specific religious expression – contrary to Jefferson's intent with that statement?



    Or, wait a minute … were your ideas about America's Christianity formed during the 20 years you were a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ under your pastor, Jeremiah Wright? Is that where you got the idea that "America is no longer a Christian nation"? Is this where you, even as you came to call yourself a Christian, formed the belief that "America has been arrogant"?



    Even if that's the understandable explanation of your damning of your country and accusing the whole nation (not just a few military officials trying their best to keep more Americans from being murdered by jihadists) of "not always living up to her ideals," how did you come up with the ridiculous, alarming notion that we might be "considered a Muslim nation"?



    Is it because there are some 2 million or more Muslims living here, trying to be good Americans? Out of a current population of over 300 million, 70 percent of whom are Christians? Does that make us, by any rational definition, a "Muslim nation"?



    Why are we not, then, a "Chinese nation"? A "Korean nation"? Even a "Vietnamese nation"? There are even more of these distinct groups in America than Muslims. And if the distinction you're trying to make is a religious one, why is America not "a Jewish nation"? There's actually a case to be made for the latter, because our Constitution – and the success of our Revolution and founding – owe a deep debt to our Jewish brothers.



    Have you stopped to think what an actual Muslim America would be like? Have you ever really spent much time in Iran? Even in Egypt? You, having been instructed in Islam as a kid at a Muslim school in Indonesia and saying you still love the call to evening prayers, can surely picture our nation founded on the Quran, not the Judeo-Christian Bible, and living under Shariah law. Can't you? You do recall Muhammad's directives [Surah 9:5,73] to "break the cross" and "kill the infidel"?



    It seems increasingly and painfully obvious that you are more influenced by your upbringing and questionable education than most suspected. If you consider yourself the president of a people who are "no longer Christian," who have "failed to live up to our ideals," who "have been arrogant," and might even be "considered Muslim" – you are president of a country most Americans don't recognize.



    Could it be you are a president without a country?

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    Open Letter to Pat Boone.





    "You might say that America is a Muslim nation."



    – President Barack Obama, Egypt 2009




    Your President never said that. Or even implied it. You're telling lies and then getting excited about how shocking the lies are. You're a clown.

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    [quote name='Dr.Knuckles' date='03 December 2009 - 11:24 PM' timestamp='1259911487' post='72563']

    Open Letter to Pat Boone.



    Your President never said that. Or even implied it. You're telling lies and then getting excited about how shocking the lies are. You're a clown.

    [/quote]



    http://blogs.telegra...s_in_the_world/



    Obama:

    It is important to note that “if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world”.


    The words were "Muslim country" not "Muslim population".



    Alternatively Obama thought it was important to note "America is not a Christian nation".

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    It is important to note that “if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world”.


    Is lightyears different from



    "You might say that America is a Muslim nation."



    – President Barack Obama, Egypt 2009


    The main difference being one is an outrageous statement that would instantly shock and outrage those who heard it repeated and didn't have the common sense to question the source, and the other one is not a silly lie made up by clowns.

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    I'm amazed that a 95 year old man has the ability to memorize each and every one of the right wing talking points. I know I couldn't do that.
    As a Democrat, I take solace in the fact that the Republicans have nominated the guy who lost the nomination to the guy who lost the presidency to the guy who is now the President.



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    [quote name='Nobody' date='04 December 2009 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1259903597' post='72540']



    I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.



    Sincerely,

    Harold B. Estes

    [/quote]



    That's one self-centered old bastard if ya asked me.
    Waterboarding Republitards since 2005...

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    [quote name='Inkslinger' date='04 December 2009 - 09:33 AM' timestamp='1259948009' post='72760']

    That's one self-centered old bastard if ya asked me.

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    Yep, Ink he's an old bastard. This is who you call a bastard a person that served this country. Some of you on the left never stop to amaze me.



    "I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country."

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    [quote name='Forplay' date='04 December 2009 - 12:45 PM' timestamp='1259948725' post='72772']

    Yep, Ink he's an old bastard. This is who you call a bastard a person that served this country. Some of you on the left never stop to amaze me.



    "I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country."

    [/quote]



    Inky should be respectful of this guy because of his service, but it's okay for this man to refer to the President of the United States as "son" and "young man?" I don't think so.
    As a Democrat, I take solace in the fact that the Republicans have nominated the guy who lost the nomination to the guy who lost the presidency to the guy who is now the President.



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    [quote name='TennesseeRain' date='04 December 2009 - 07:10 AM' timestamp='1259932234' post='72617']

    I'm amazed that a 95 year old man has the ability to memorize each and every one of the right wing talking points. I know I couldn't do that.

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    I guess that says more about you than him.
    You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
    You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
    You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
    You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
    You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
    You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.


 
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