Thread: Gun Control

Originally Posted by splansing

That is an unmitigated disgrace.

Intentional plagiarism is despicable in its own right. That Aimee would plagiarize something so poorly written and filled with flat-out errors makes it even more ridiculous.

seriously, what is wrong with this girl. seems to me she just find free essays on hot button issues, and post them as new threads, so everyone sees the link to her website. pretty good trick.

Originally Posted by Goldwater

Gun Control

This is the article this thread is palegrized from

WTF! That is messed up Aimee. One by one, each and every article you have stated as your own, by signing it, turns out to be someone else's work?

Stop signing stuff that isn't your work.

Originally Posted by splansing

I'm not sure, but I would guess that the gun lobby depends hugely on people like your rancher, and other rural populations that are adamant about gun ownership. Assuming that making guns illegal wouldn't result in authorities confiscating weapons is stunning to me. That's a really dangerous way to approach government.

Yes it is considering the government is the whole reason we are given the right to bear arms in the first place.

I find it naive to think that bearing arms means for hunting purposes. It is for protecting the people from a tyrannical gov foreign or domestic.

I have no guns but the minute they make it illegal that is when I get me some.

Originally Posted by splansing

Even if the last sentence weren't directly contradicted by the data presented above, I think it's safe to say that it's absurd on the face of it.

(If 54% of firearm deaths were suicides, and only 40% were murders...how can homicide be the greatest cause of death in the U.S.?)

Think about it: I'm quite certain that far more than 32,436 people died in the U.S. last year. In fact, I'll just go out on a limb here and suggest that cars alone killed a lot more people than guns last year.

You've got the numbers wrong. Read the quotes again, and you won't find any contradictions.

As for your "personal responsibility hang-ups," feel free to say that parents should "be responsible" for bringing up their own kids. I am merely making the observation that there are enough parents who fail to do so, and I'd wager that it won't change sometime soon.

Question is, what is more important? Your interests in having a gun as a responsible citizen with a lower risk of your gun killing another non-criminal. Or the interests of lowering the victim count in the society as a whole?

Originally Posted by chu chu rocket

You've got the numbers wrong. Read the quotes again, and you won't find any contradictions.

As for your "personal responsibility hang-ups," feel free to say that parents should "be responsible" for bringing up their own kids. I am merely making the observation that there are enough parents who fail to do so, and I'd wager that it won't change sometime soon.

Then perhaps, (dun dun duuuuuun!!!!) education is needed, not sweeping laws that have more ramifications then just protecting kids who have irresponsible parents.

Question is, what is more important? Your interests in having a gun as a responsible citizen with a lower risk of your gun killing another non-criminal. Or the interests of lowering the victim count in the society as a whole?

How about both of those being equally important? Works for me.

Originally Posted by nickcuse

and believe me, i am not anti gun. i really have no problem with people wanting to own guns, especially when they are used for food hunting, or target practice. then they're like any other hobby.
its when you get people that come out after incidents like virginia tech, who start making these claims that a LACK of guns is why that tragedy happened, and i think it really scares a lot of people.
and those cases, i think, are the stong indication that these pro-gun people feel vicitimized, like they're helpless little babies, and if they had just had their big bad .45, they would have showed that crazy guy who was boss. it just breeds this horrible, "don't mess with me i'm tougher than you" mentality". and frankly, thats not the kind of society i want to live in, where everyone has to prove themselves to one another, instead of just accepting one another.

Most gun owners do not need a 'I am badder than you attitude."

I have to totally disagree with about 99.9% of you post but I am really not sure about the other .1%.you really have no idea what bearing arms is for do you? It is certainly not for a hobby. and it certainly is not some inner need to be macho.

Originally Posted by Heel31ok

Most gun owners do not need a 'I am badder than you attitude."

I have to totally disagree with about 99.9% of you post but I am really not sure about the other .1%.you really have no idea what bearing arms is for do you? It is certainly not for a hobby. and it certainly is not some inner need to be macho.

From what I have read of his post he is focusing on a reality that is, but its also quite fringe to most gun owners. A few spout off at the mouth and someone doesn't agree with it and all the sudden, they don't agree on the grand scale. Its not unheard of but my only advice is to stop looking at it that way and try looking at it from any other way.

The reality is this: Most gun owners don't own guns for offense, they own them for defense, which should scare a lot less people if they just understood that.

Originally Posted by johnflesh

From what I have read of his post he is focusing on a reality that is, but its also quite fringe to most gun owners. A few spout off at the mouth and someone doesn't agree with it and all the sudden, they don't agree on the grand scale. Its not unheard of but my only advice is to stop looking at it that way and try looking at it from any other way.

The reality is this: Most gun owners don't own guns for offense, they own them for defense, which should scare a lot less people if they just understood that.

but you don't think that "defense" is in some way related to a need to feel powerful, a way to bolster your self esteem in some way? its like buying a sports car that tops out at 160mph. you know you'll never take it over 95, but the idea that you COULD is what gives you a sense of power.

Originally Posted by johnflesh

THow about both of those being equally important? Works for me.

Of course excuses work for you, that is why they are called exactly that, excuses. The statistics are pretty clear on the impact of having guns in the household, though. By having more guns, the chance is greater that someone will use a gun. The funny part is that even thinking of your OWN good, you are even worse off yourself by having one, than if you didn't.

Education is always good.

Originally Posted by johnflesh

From what I have read of his post he is focusing on a reality that is, but its also quite fringe to most gun owners. A few spout off at the mouth and someone doesn't agree with it and all the sudden, they don't agree on the grand scale. Its not unheard of but my only advice is to stop looking at it that way and try looking at it from any other way.

The reality is this: Most gun owners don't own guns for offense, they own them for defense, which should scare a lot less people if they just understood that.

That may be so. I just have not ever met anyone who had that attitude.all I have met are pretty low key and matter of fact about their guns.it is not a status symbol or fad here but maybe it is in other places. almost everyone in this part of the country has a gun or guns. It is no big deal and is not made out to be. But even still the fact some would draw attention to it and have an air about themselves in no reason to ban gun ownership.