Thread: Gun Control

If borders are controlled, if all criminals are disarmed first, if our government is zero threat to my own and my children's freedoms, if you take all unregistered guns off the street, and if you can guarantee me all of this....

then you can have my guns.

Until then, Come and Take It...

Originally Posted by Erdnussbutter

Yeah, irresponsible people like kids? How about protecting the kids from their stupid parents? Thought ever occurred to you?

I suppose you would want to stop financing the police and pay taxes for roads as well, seeing as that is cutting into your rights.

Way to take an idea and run with it. Way to run right through the guard rail and out over the edge into empty space. Your second paragraph is ridiculous. I won't argue with somebody who is obviously arguing with somebody else, even though they appear to be addressing me.

Your first statement.... From where I'm sitting on my admittedly conservative perch, protecting your children is not my responsibility. It's your responsibility. And if you can't do it, Nature will take care of you better than I ever could. I'm not going to take every one of your larvae into my home and be responsible for it and raise it myself because you're too fucking stupid and irresponsible to take care of your own young. The 5-year-old's daddy and mommy are responsible for his death, not the gun, and not the 9-year-old. Is that reality a little too harsh for you? Then don't leave a loaded gun under your bed if you have a 5-year-old and an under-educated 9-year-old who knows little about gun safety in your home. You'll also want to secure the various poisons that are ubiquitous in the American home, so your kids don't get into those and kill themselves, either. Oh, and put up a child gate on your stairs so your toddler doesn't kill himself falling down the stairs.

If a person can't do things like these to take care of their offspring, I don't see how stopping me from owning a gun responsibly and protecting my family and/or hunting is going to change anything for them. Legislating to the lowest common denominator is a nightmare.

Whoever that was who posted about the full autos...they have been illegal for ownership since 1932 without a class III liscense.

Also, I think this whole post is mis guiding. Backyard swimming pools kill FAR more children than guns per year, and there is no Constitutional admenment protecting swimming pool ownership, so shouldn't you guys crusade against pools first? I mean, if protecting the kids is what is really on your mind, wouldn't that be your first goal?

Ofcourse not, that would be logical, not liberal. Here is a better idea: Once you guys get guns banned, you should ban all of the following- cholestorol, saturated fat, red meat, fast cars, salt, MSG, hydrogenated oils, partially hydrogenated oils, bacon, vegetable shortening, cigarettes, all alcoholic beverages, cigars, air planes and backyard swimming pools.

Ofcourse, since your goal is for the Government to accept every responsibility in your sad lives, taking guns from the people who would run thier own lives should be your first goal. Heck, Im in the military, so I guess I shouldn't care, Ill still be armed.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Some people just don't like to commit animal cruelty by shopping at the grocery store for over-priced drug-laden meats, when they can go out for a morning in the woods and come home with 200 lbs of steriod-free organic meat, which lived and died as nature intended.

Not everyone is trying to be tough. If anything the majority are hunters and people who honestly want a reasonable means to increase their peace of mind. How many people don't have a few relatives and friends with an old .22 or something tucked into a closet somewhere, 'just in case'?

Last week a girl I work with brought in some trail bologna made from a button buck her 10 year old son shot on "Youth Hunt Day". It had hot pepper cheese in it. Really good.

I live in a rural area where everyone has a gun. People rearely get shot on accident.

I think lawmaking based on what stupid, careless assholes might do is a bad idea.

it has more to do with child control than gun control.

Sorry just thinking outside the gungrab box.

Originally Posted by Heel31ok

it has more to do with child control than gun control.

Sorry just thinking outside the gungrab box.

Good form, thank you.

Originally Posted by aimeefriedland

The most dreadful event that could happen is a five-year-old boy getting shot in the head by his nine-year-old brother. The older brother found a gun under his parent's bed. He thought it was a toy gun, so he pointed it at his brother's head and pulled the trigger. Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill someone you know than to kill in self-defense. According to Million Mom March supporters, there are more children die from gun accidents than any other accidents combined (Sampson). Guns are deadly weapon that should be banned, because guns contribute to violence, guns increase the economic costs of gun violence, and guns cause emotional distress to the citizens. Guns provide the easiest way to kill someone and it's more likely to produce a fatality than any other weapons (Kleck 127). One-shot from the gun can take away a person's life in an instant second. In 1997, 32,436 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths - 400f those were murdered; 54% were suicides; 3% were accidents; and in 1% the intent was unknown ("Firearm"). Homicides are the greatest cause of death in the U.S. and the FBI's crime in the US estimated that 660f the 14,517 murders in 2000 were committed with guns ("Firearm"). These statistics verify that guns are the means for homicides and are used as a killing weapon. Guns only bring more violence. One single shot from a gun can take away a life, which is why suicide is easily achieved with guns. Firearms were the number one cause of completed suicide attempts. In 1997, more teenagers and young adults died from suicide than from cancer, heart disease, AIDS, birth defects, stroke, pneumonia, influenza and chronic lung disease combined ("Firearm"). Guns give no second chance; it is a simple, quick, and efficient way to kill. "Handguns are unforgiving, they offer no second chance to consider suicide," stated the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (Newton 48). Guns were supposed to be used for self-defense, but proved by the statistics, people take advantage of guns and use it as a destructive weapon that cause million of people to die each year.
Guns are supposed to be used against burglars and protect against violence. In fact, guns are used to enhance criminals' power. The guns give the robber the power to cause deadly harm at a distance (Cook 135). According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2000, 533,470 victims of serious violent crime stated that they faced an offender with a firearm ("Firearm"). A criminal who holds the gun has the power to take one's life and that's scary. Without guns, the criminals won't have that much power, and it diminishes their ability to cause harm.
Some people were lucky enough to escape death from the deadly gun, but the costs from the wounds were more than the patient could pay. According to National Spinal Cord Injury Statistical Center in 1998, the average estimated total costs of medical care, police services, and lost productivity of each firearm fatality is 38,500. This is not a small amount; it is enough to pay for 67 years of college tuitions. The most serious firearm injuries, such as traumatic brain injury and spinal cord injury can require a lifetime of care and recovering service can cost upwards of ,000,000 over the course of a patient's life ("Firearm"). Instead of spending billions of money on gun injuries, the money should go to cancer researches or other important researches that improve the quality of life today.
Although license for the guns law still exist, many minors and mentally disordered people can effortlessly obtain them. "You can buy a handgun anywhere on the street for 0, or they give it to you for free if you tell you're a gang and you're on your way to shoot someone," said Arianna Huffington ("Gun Control"). Also, the nationwide poll of 2500 sixth to twelfth graders showed that 59aid they could get a handgun if they wanted to, and 2/3 said they could lay hand on a gun within 24 hours and could obtain a gun with little or no trouble (Cox 22). Guns in the hands of minors and mentally disordered people can cause an unnecessary riot and distress to the citizens. The only way to stop it is to banish all guns.
Criminologists surveyed that 70 million Americans own about 150-200 million firearms. There are approximately 192 million privately owned firearms in the U.S. and 65 million are handguns ("Firearm"). With this huge numbers of gun-owners, it causes the citizens to worry about their safety among so many gun-owners. The numbers of guns in the U.S. had increased not for self-defense but for killing. From the Time Poll of 1990, we know that guns are not used as self-defense since 500f guns are used for hunting (Newton 24). In 1995, Time magazine did another poll asking 600 adult gun owners their main reason for owning the gun; 57aid are for hunting or target shooting (Cox 65). These two polls confirm the statement from William Tonso: "The United States no longer has a frontier, and in fact it's now primarily urban and industrial rather than rural and agriculture. Consequently, large numbers of firearms that have gotten and continue to get into civilian hands no longer serve any useful purpose and no more trouble than what they are worth. They no longer contribute to the establishment of law and order, as the high rate of firearms related crime shows" (37).
Back when the Americans first settled here, guns had been part of American culture. The guns were used to protect against dangerous animals and intruders. But now, America is an industrial country, and we don't need the guns anymore. Clearly corroborated by the statistics, guns have a negative influence and don't do any good to the people. Furthermore, guns only brought violence and destructions. Banning guns should be approach, because guns contribute to violence, guns increase the economic costs of gun violence, and guns cause emotional distress to the citizens.

by Aimee Friedland

would it make you feel any better if they were pushed out a window?



if you have kids around guns then you need to teach kids how to be around a gun and what to do and what not to do.I have no real guns but my children are not allowed to point anything imagined to be a gun at someone. They have been taught that pointing a gun at a person means you are ready to kill them. You only shoot at a person to kill them.

Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for teenagers.
16 year-olds have higher crash rates than drivers of any other age.
16-year-olds are three times more likely to die in a motor vehicle crash than the average of all drivers.
3,490 drivers age 15-20 died in car crashes in 2006, up slightly from 2005.

People shouldn't buy their kids a car the minute they get their driver's license. If we want to bitch about unnecessary deaths, this would be a more appropriate thing to bitch about.

Teen Driving Statistics

Originally Posted by Blueneck

People shouldn't buy their kids a car the minute they get their driver's license. If we want to bitch about unnecessary deaths, this would be a more appropriate thing to bitch about.

Teen Driving Statistics

I am down with that.

"What we need are safer guns and safer bullets." J.E.