Thread: Why they hate us?

sad that the hopefuls don't understand international culture and blame America for the worlds hate...

“Because we are trusted so little” - Joe Biden

Because of “the bullying, selfish, abusive behavior” of President Bush and his administration. - John Edwards

“John’s point is right, but I want to broaden it a little.” If you were a Muslim overseas listening to Rudy Giuliani saying they want to come over here and kill you, you would get the impression that we don’t want to talk. - Barack Obama

“This has been a vacuum for a long time.” We don’t know their culture. - Chris Dodd

"They hate us for reasons of their own. They hate us for reasons arising from their core values." No, instead they (the candidates) assume that their hatred for us is entirely our fault and our responsibility. It never enters their mind that Muslims might be free agents who act on their own initiative, and not just as passive reactors to American actions." Robert Spencer

That's right, Muslims hate us because they are Muslim. Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

That's right, Muslims hate us because they are Muslim. Brilliant.

all behavior is learned. hate is preached in mosques and by Islamic governments... and is part of the quran in no religious pluralism. so yes, the theology is the source.

Originally Posted by sectionOne

all behavior is learned. hate is preached in mosques and by Islamic governments... and is part of the quran in no religious pluralism. so yes, the theology is the source.

I can name plenty of sections of the Bible that praise brutality and cruelty. So does that mean all Christians are violent? No, of course not, and neither are Muslims. They don't hate us because we are Muslim, they hate us because of how we've treated the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

They don't hate us because we are Muslim, they hate us because of how we've treated the Middle East.

that's simply not true. if you want to stop there and believe that it's your choice. but please seek to understand the reality.

if your dad hated Yankees because he was a Southerner and still resents losing the Civil War then is it the fault of the Yankees? no, it's the fault of your father. it's his hate.
hate is an individual behavior that can be practiced or not. if they are peaceful muslims they would forgive and forget. that is not the case.

THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!







Oh wait, let's ask them...


Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.


(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;
(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.
(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.
(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.
(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.


(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.
(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.
(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

Originally Posted by sectionOne

that's simply not true. if you want to stop there and believe that it's your choice. but please seek to understand the reality.

if your dad hated Yankees because he was a Southerner and still resents losing the Civil War then is it the fault of the Yankees? no, it's the fault of your father. it's his hate.
hate is an individual behavior that can be practiced or not. if they are peaceful muslims they would forgive and forget. that is not the case.

It's hard not to hate a country that's been responsible for some horrific things.

And I find it very hard to beleive that you hve never felt hate towards another person, place, thing, or entity.

Originally Posted by Defensor

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

this is dar ul Harb.
so when did we attack the Taliban or AQ? before or after they flew planes into the WTC?

I believe the core of their hatred comes from our capitalist government and consumerist lifestyle, as well as what they see as hedonistic behavior. Our terrible relationship with a huge portion of the Muslim world doesn't help, but it's not the basis for it. And I agree with Zara here...we can't blame their religion for the violent behavior of it's most extreme adherents, as most every major religion has both a notable history of violence as well a doctrine that is full of it. Most people are decent enough to not attempt mass murder despite their beliefs.

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

It's hard not to hate a country that's been responsible for some horrific things.

And I find it very hard to beleive that you hve never felt hate towards another person, place, thing, or entity.

I have never hated anything in my life.
it's very easy.