Proposal to repeal an unconstitutional concealed-weapons ban

**Bourne** · 13th August 2009 11:28 AM

[quote name='michaelr' date='13 August 2009 - 12:22 PM' timestamp='1250184168' post='4635']

like i said I am against CCW permits. It allows for regulation and denial of self protection.

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Are you saying that you favor the unregulated concealed carry of firearms by anyone?

**michaelr** · 13th August 2009 11:28 AM

[quote name='Bourne' date='13 August 2009 - 10:27 AM' timestamp='1250184470' post='4639']

If you can't say then you can't say with any certainty that concealed carry directly effects the crime rate, can you?

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Yes I can, I just can't say how many.

**Bourne** · 13th August 2009 11:33 AM

[quote name='michaelr' date='13 August 2009 - 12:28 PM' timestamp='1250184535' post='4642']

Yes I can, I just can't say how many.

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If you can't say how many then you can't say that concealed carry has had any effect on the crime rate in states that permit concealed carry. Therefore, your opinion is based soley on anecdotal evidence, right?

**michaelr** · 13th August 2009 11:36 AM

[quote name='Bourne' date='13 August 2009 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1250184816' post='4643']

If you can't say how many then you can't say that concealed carry has had any effect on the crime rate in states that permit concealed carry. Therefore, your opinion is based soley on anecdotal evidence, right?

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Wrong, because of my CCW in UT I personally stopped a crime, it would be extremely arrogant of me to think that I am alone in this.

**Bourne** · 13th August 2009 11:47 AM

[quote name='michaelr' date='13 August 2009 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1250184971' post='4645']

Wrong, because of my CCW in UT I personally stopped a crime, it would be extremely arrogant of me to think that I am alone in this.

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As I've said, your evidence is anecdotal at best. A guess if you will. Indeed, there is no empirical evidence to suggest that concealed carry has any effect on the crime rate.

And again I'll ask you, do you advocate in favor of unregulated concealed carry which would allow anyone to carry a concealed firearm?

**michaelr** · 13th August 2009 02:52 PM

[quote name='Bourne' date='13 August 2009 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1250185626' post='4651']

As I've said, your evidence is anecdotal at best. A guess if you will. Indeed, there is no empirical evidence to suggest that concealed carry has any effect on the crime rate.

And again I'll ask you, do you advocate in favor of unregulated concealed carry which would allow anyone to carry a concealed firearm?

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There are plenty of cases Bourne, i am not going to spend my time looking. Why don't you prove that crimes are not thwarted due to a CCW.

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**freckles** · 13th August 2009 03:38 PM

When you have metal detectors at every entrance, I think it's fine to have a weapons ban. Plus, the general public can't just walk into the Capitol anyway. Last I checked you needed to be approved.

Parks I agree with. You should be allowed to.

**michaelr** · 13th August 2009 04:57 PM

[quote name='Bourne' date='13 August 2009 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1250184525' post='4641']

Are you saying that you favor the unregulated concealed carry of firearms by anyone?

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If you have no felony's, you bet. If you have a felony, then you should own, but nor conceal carry.