Thread: Is Baghdad safer?

"Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings."

Iraq returnees find capital transformed - Washington Post - MSNBC.com

This sentence beginning sentence from MSNBC does support what the right and the Bushbots have been saying. What I like about the article is it goes on to identify several reasons for people's returns and the issue's they face once they get back home.

Are things better? What the liberals and Democrats seem to be arguing is at the moment, on the surface it appears to be better. Not as many people are dying (that remark in itself is interesting) that seems evident. But this peace is fragile. Will it survive once the surge numbers have departed? What kind of government will there be? Is a stable, secure Islamist state allied with Iran and the Chinese and the Russians acceptable? Do more Americans need to die in order to prevent that? Where does Iraq need to go for the US to consider this excursion successful?

I think the idea is to get these people used to security post-Saddam. They'll see they don't need him to quell violence, then they won't stand for it. Too bad Iraq is still going to be exclusive to the rights of men though.

Amazing whatcan happen when we do not give up.

Originally Posted by Bert Spivey

Amazing whatcan happen when we do not give up.

I am doing cartwheels because people in Baghdad can go out for ice cream. That's just great. Seems to me 5 years ago they could go out for ice cream too, and that was before 3,900 Americans died.

Originally Posted by Sparta

Too bad Iraq is still going to be exclusive to the rights of men though.

What does that mean?

I asked 5 questions in the original post, not on any thread dealing with this subject have the supporters of this war ever attempted to answer any of them. These questions are the caveats those who opposed the war are trying to get dealt with. Because if everything is better now and Iraqi's can step up then its time to let them. And the troops can come home (most of them, like 100,000 or so) and the Republicans having won a great victory can claim it and easily win the 08 election.