Thread: Retreat of the idealogues: How Radical Republicanism has failed to sway America

Originally Posted by johnlocke

Tell ya what: when the Radical right formally apologizes to John Kerry for swiftboating him, and to Jack Murtha AND Max Cleland and to EVERY liberal they have EVER defamed in the last twelve years by calling them terrorist sympathizers, phony soldiers, cowards, French, and worse... THEN you can lecture me about how the left is equally culpable. .....

John Murtha was conducting business with FBI agents posing as Saudi intermediaries. These agents were offering big bribes to get past the immigration process with the help of Murtha. The FBI videotaped Murtha responding to an offer of $50,000, with Murtha saying, "I'm not interested... at this point. If we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested, maybe I won't". Murtha is a scum bag.

Originally Posted by johnlocke

Nice diversion, but it won't wash. Prove me wrong Cons- CONDEMN Rush Limbaugh and EVERY CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR who has EVER engaged in these practices. CONDEMN the SWIFTBOAT VETS FOR TRUTH for their LIES about John Kerry. Come on- prove me wrong!

I will condemn both sides...but you won't.

http://www.politicalhotwire.com/15109-blame-game.html

Originally Posted by justoneman

John Murtha was conducting business with FBI agents posing as Saudi intermediaries. These agents were offering big bribes to get past the immigration process with the help of Murtha. The FBI videotaped Murtha responding to an offer of $50,000, with Murtha saying, "I'm not interested... at this point. If we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested, maybe I won't". Murtha is a scum bag.

i wouldn't trust a man who didn't try to steal a little.

Originally Posted by The_Bear

i wouldn't trust a man who didn't try to steal a little.

Murtha wasn't even indicted.

Originally Posted by The_Bear

a thought just struck me;
it won't matter if ron paul wins the presidency, because congress will still probably be majority dem.

Ideal situation - only what both can agree on will become law. We've seen what one party rule can do - and it ain't pretty!:dramaqueen:

Originally Posted by justoneman

John Murtha was conducting business with FBI agents posing as Saudi intermediaries. These agents were offering big bribes to get past the immigration process with the help of Murtha. The FBI videotaped Murtha responding to an offer of $50,000, with Murtha saying, "I'm not interested... at this point. If we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested, maybe I won't". Murtha is a scum bag.

Oh my - a politician on the take - that's like a whore who take money for sex!!:sarcasticfainting: :booty: :boobies: :sarcasticfainting:

Originally Posted by johnlocke

Nope. The right is much worse about this than the left could EVER hope to be.

Depends on what 'worse' means. Both have the same motivation - both tell themselves the same lies (only my way is good for the country), and both accept the same bribes. The difference is in the rhetoric. I have to admit I find the rank stupidity of the far left to be more personable than the rank meaness of the far right - but the results seem pretty much the same.hsnap:

Originally Posted by conservative

Both the Right and the Left are equally culpable...trying to pin the majority of the blame on the Right is in and of itslef "Divisive". Until all parties admit they are all sinners nothing will change...it will only get worse.

That's not really true. The radical right continues to use a form of arguementation that is crude, distorting, and illigitimate, bordering on being profoundly undemocratic. If a counterargument is used to expose a right wing fallacy or talking point, the arguement is ridiculed to the point that it becomes a caricture and any individual from the left who even challenges the ideas of the right is lampooned mercilessly. Sorry, but the left does not even come close in its vindictiveness. There are reasons for this and too many to list, but two are very apparent to me. The fact is that the left is more tolerant of other's ideas and the result is a less organized attack system to counteract what I call the Republican rottweillers.

Originally Posted by conservative

You are both proving my point. You bitch about nastiness in politics, of the failure to get things done for the people, about the debased level of discourse amongst the right and left...and instead of reaching out...you accuse the other side of being the problem. Then you sit back in your smug self-righteousness and wonder why the attacks continue from both sides.

Pathetic.

I don't agree with how the left fights back right now, but the right doesn't have one leg to stand on. The right started this, just like the Iraq war and now you and the rest of the right need the left to get you out of this mess.

Originally Posted by steezer

I don't agree with how the left fights back right now, but the right doesn't have one leg to stand on. The right started this, just like the Iraq war and now you and the rest of the right need the left to get you out of this mess.

Yes, the argument does have sort of a kindergarten spin - 'he hit me first!':therethere: