Thread: Which Obama Do We Believe?

Obama in 2003 and 2007 or Obama at his press conference today?



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OBAMA TODAY: I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter because frankly we historically have had a employer-based system in this country, that private insurers.



RUSH: Stop the tape! "I have not said I was a single-payer supporter..." Here, 2007, a little over two years ago, March 2007, Service Employees International Union Health Care Forum.



OBAMA 2007: My commitment is to make sure that we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president. I would hope that we can set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort, but I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.

RUSH: Okay. Now, listen to again the beginning of Obama today.



OBAMA TODAY: I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter because frankly we historically have had a employer-based system in this country with private insurers.



RUSH: Stop the tape. "I have not said I was a single-payer supporter." Here's 2003, AFL-CIO conference campaigning for the US Senate.



OBAMA 2003: I happen to be a proponent of single-payer, universal health care plan.



AUDIENCE: (applause)



OBAMA 2003: I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, is spending 14% -- 14% of its gross national product on health care -- cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim's talking about when he says, "Everybody in, nobody out," a single payer health care plan, universal health care plan. That's what I'd like to see but, as all of you know --



RUSH: Stop the tape. There it is: "I happen to be a proponent of single-payer, universal health care plan. ... [A] single -payer, universal health care plan. That's what I'd like to see." Today, President Obama...



OBAMA TODAY: I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter because frankly we historically have had a employer-based system in this country with private insurers.



RUSH: Stop the tape. Mr. President, you can't do this and have people trust you. The power of your cult-like appeal is gone. You can't destroy jobs after telling people you're going to create and restore jobs and then say, "Trust me." You can't say you've never said you were a single-payer supporter when we have sound bites of you advocating it, promising it to your most fervent supporters and then say "trust me." You have lost the trust. (interruption) Oh, I'm stoking the flames? I'm stoking the flames? (interruption) There I go again stoking the flames? There I go again? I'm stoking the flames here? (interruption) What, I'm supposed to just shut up and forget what I heard in 2007 and 2003? Now, this next bite, I have a comment but after you hear it.

Here's a video for those who are politically illiterate.



[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk[/MEDIA]



So which Obama do we believe?



An Obama speaking to his supporters or an Obama addressing skeptics?

[quote name='C-101' date='11 August 2009 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1250040453' post='3469']

Obama in 2003 and 2007 or Obama at his press conference today?



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I stopped reading after the Rush Lamebrain citation.



Next?

[quote name='nonsqtr' date='11 August 2009 - 09:07 PM' timestamp='1250042854' post='3484']

I stopped reading after the Rush Lamebrain citation.



Next?

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Fine with me.



Just don't complain when Obama lies to your face again.

I would no more trust Obama to tell the truth about his true beliefs than I would

George Soros or Dick Cheney.

[quote name='Goldwater' date='11 August 2009 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1250044946' post='3494']

Word

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Agreed.



Why is anyone surprised when "politicians lie"?



That's what they DO - that's what makes them politicians!



Remember that story about the frog and the scorpion?



Asking a politician not to lie, is like asking a scorpion not to sting - it goes against their nature.



They're ALL f'in liars - and it doesn't matter which party they're from!

Why do we accept that OUR representatives are liars? Is it there fault if we are dumb enough to elect them? Are we truly so stupid as to think its ok for them to lie? And people wonder why I think there are millions of Americans unqualified to vote!

[quote name='Dispondent' date='11 August 2009 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1250047332' post='3524']
Why do we accept that OUR representatives are liars? Is it there fault if we are dumb enough to elect them? Are we truly so stupid as to think its ok for them to lie? And people wonder why I think there are millions of Americans unqualified to vote!
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Not everyone is OK with the idea politicians continually misrepresent what they are doing,

it's just that when it comes to Obama his faithful are floating the "everyone does it" truism

to defend him... as if lying to an entire country about how he will govern is roughly equivalent

to telling mom her hamburger surprise is yummy.

[quote name='bla bla' date='11 August 2009 - 10:39 PM' timestamp='1250048346' post='3534']

Not everyone is OK with the idea politicians continually misrepresent what they are doing,

it's just that when it comes to Obama his faithful are floating the "everyone does it" truism

to defend him... as if lying to an entire country about how he will govern is roughly equivalent

to telling mom her tuna fish casserole is yummy.

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Perhaps it says a lot about his supporters.