Thread: America's Number One Collapse Expert Thought WTC Bombed

I have been on this forum for some weeks now and have read all manner of threads that deal with national self-destruction and how it actually comes to pass. Inevitibly it always comes down to a misconception that that destruction is leveed fromoutside forces or from inside forces that do not conform to a "national idea". In actuality that has never been the case. Case after case through out history destruction of an Empire such as Rome, Germany, and now the United States has been accomplished through corruption and the concentration of power to one or one set of peoples that have a common ideology.
Sparta fell because the rigidness of its society did not allow change and cooperation. It isolated itself against the world shrinking smaller and smaller in its source of ideas and technology. The "one thought, one mind, one culture" concept of its extremely conservative government drove it to ruin. At the same time Athens with its Liberal ideology that welcomed all cultures rose to unrivaled power.

Rome flourish just as long as it maintained a democratic republic conquering lands yes but not isolating and subjegating the new conquered peoples. When Rome was politheist, it welcomed all religions as long as the religion did not challenge roman authority. It allowed some form of self rule and did not centralize its ideology nor its power. It acted like a Republic. Example was the "holy land" was governed by a Roman representative but it allowed people like Herrad to have dominion over his people. Kingdoms within the Empire. It is only when Constantine in the 4th century outlawed other religions and believes that the real destruction occurred. The multi-culture of Rome was now gone, and corruption was rife. There was no incective for the Iberian romans to actually defend the idea of Rome. No reason for any of the many cultures within rome to defend the new single minded conservative view that was now dictated by Consantine. It is when Constantine converted to christine and subjugated the entire empire to this convertion under penalty of death that Rome really fell.

Germany fell under the spell of conservative nationalism in the early 30's. The landmark of the real self-destruction of Germany when was newly elected (political coup take over) chancelor Hitler demanded the "Enabling Act." This gave him complete unfettered power to further corrupt the government. That is the exact time that a democratic republic became a dictatorship.

Now comes the United States and the parrallels are very simular. Bush came to power under a cloud, a political coup of voter fraud and corruption. Under the guise of national security Bush push onto this country the "Patriot Act" which basically reads just like the "Enabling Act". It destroys democracy and individual freedom. It ignores the constitution and the rule of law. It gives unfettered power to one person and "ENABLES" corruption to spread like a cancer on this country. There is no legal reason nor is there any physical reason for the Patriot Act other than the concentration of power to one corrupt set of individuals.

The recent decission by a court and the subsequint opinion of that court clearly spells out the unconstitutionality of the act. I put it to you that it is more than just unconstitutional. That it is by it's very nature the downfall of this country. The very means of Destuction From Within.

Enabling Act:

March 23, 1933 - Reichstag passes Enabling Act

Patriot Act:

USA PATRIOT Act (H.R. 3162)

Fall of Sparta:

Ancient History Sourcebook: 11th Brittanica: Sparta
TheHistoryNet | Ancient and Medieval Wars | Sparta: The Fall of the Empire

Rise of Athens:

The Rise of Athens@Everything2.com

Contantine:

Roman Emperors - DIR Constantine I

I have not been able to cite all of the sources due to the volume and type..i.e.books, but here are a few sources to review.

I suppose the constant barrage of hate from the left directed at the right will probably not facilitate this coming decline in any way. This country has gone through far worse than the Patriot Act and survived and thrived, we shall weather this current storm and thrive again. What Rome and Germany never had was a history of giving back that which they took from their citizens.

Presidents in the past have authorized unconstitutional edicts, there's a whole list of alphabet organizations the FDR created that were found unconstitutional, yet we didn't crumble and fall due to his corruption. You lefties keep preaching that the sky is falling, that is not the case. The blind hatred that is constantly spewed out about this administration seems to have rendered far too many on the left unable to comprehend reality and its context to the way this country actually works. If you wipe away the tears from all that crying you might get a better picture of what's really happening.

I think we should "rid the world" of all the skanks.

Originally Posted by Dispondent

I suppose the constant barrage of hate from the left directed at the right will probably not facilitate this coming decline in any way.

What does this have to do with the post? The hate from partisan hacks are on both sides- playing into the hands of the real agenda at hand: divide and conquer politics. Anyone who thinks there is a "left" and "right" division at the opaque levels of federal government is ridiculously naive.

This country has gone through far worse than the Patriot Act and survived and thrived, we shall weather this current storm and thrive again.

If it's far worse, it would help to have a specific example of this.

Presidents in the past have authorized unconstitutional edicts, there's a whole list of alphabet organizations the FDR created that were found unconstitutional, yet we didn't crumble and fall due to his corruption.

So what is the point in this statement? That corruption and unconstitutional behavior is acceptable and poses no threat to personal liberties?

You lefties keep preaching that the sky is falling, that is not the case. The blind hatred that is constantly spewed out about this administration seems to have rendered far too many on the left unable to comprehend reality and its context to the way this country actually works. If you wipe away the tears from all that crying you might get a better picture of what's really happening.

Partisan rhetoric and finger-pointing...
What about the original argument?
What about a counter argument? Where are the points that counter the original point?

Originally Posted by Dispondent

I suppose the constant barrage of hate from the left directed at the right will probably not facilitate this coming decline in any way. This country has gone through far worse than the Patriot Act and survived and thrived, we shall weather this current storm and thrive again. What Rome and Germany never had was a history of giving back that which they took from their citizens.

Presidents in the past have authorized unconstitutional edicts, there's a whole list of alphabet organizations the FDR created that were found unconstitutional, yet we didn't crumble and fall due to his corruption. You lefties keep preaching that the sky is falling, that is not the case. The blind hatred that is constantly spewed out about this administration seems to have rendered far too many on the left unable to comprehend reality and its context to the way this country actually works. If you wipe away the tears from all that crying you might get a better picture of what's really happening.

Did you for one moment find any hate in my thread starting post? No because there was none.

You would give your rights up too easily. I would never give up my rights and anything short of death is too easy.

Now is what matters and right now this admin is acting with impunity and unconstituionally. I just pointed it out and proved it.

The only one hating here is you with your inaccurate discriptions of "lefties" and your inaccurate attempt to speak for them.

I did not stoop to speak for the right at all. Raise to a real debate. Don't stoop to a rant fight.

Originally Posted by mykcob4

I did not stoop to speak for the right at all. Raise to a real debate. Don't stoop to a rant fight.

Exactly. All I read from the post was a bunch of partisan jibberish- no points whatsoever, except for vague, limp rebuttals.

Originally Posted by Migi e!

I think we should "rid the world" of all the skanks.

The Rant forum is on anther section. The foul mouthed idiot section doesn't exist. There is no irrelevant section. There is no pissing in the wind section. So we can't help you with your posting/thinking/social/ignorance problems.

Originally Posted by Bluegrass

What does this have to do with the post? The hate from partisan hacks are on both sides- playing into the hands of the real agenda at hand: divide and conquer politics. Anyone who thinks there is a "left" and "right" division at the opaque levels of federal government is ridiculously naive.



If it's far worse, it would help to have a specific example of this.



So what is the point in this statement? That corruption and unconstitutional behavior is acceptable and poses no threat to personal liberties?




Partisan rhetoric and finger-pointing...
What about the original argument?
What about a counter argument? Where are the points that counter the original point?

This country has weathered martial law, civil war, race riots, rationing and other hardships. What is found is that our system of government works. What people seem to discount today is that we are a nation at war, that sort changes things. Security takes a step to the front and with it will come some contraversial decisions by those in power. What we can learn from the past is that because the system works whatever preceived wrongs are occuring today will be rectified in the future. The whole concept the sky is falling is utterly untrue. The sky is falling argument is deliberately designed to attack the current administration. It is fear-mongering and far too often laced with hatred. It is counterproductive and will probably slow the inevitable return to what we wish to call normalcy.

Originally Posted by mykcob4

Did you for one moment find any hate in my thread starting post? No because there was none.

You would give your rights up too easily. I would never give up my rights and anything short of death is too easy.

Now is what matters and right now this admin is acting with impunity and unconstituionally. I just pointed it out and proved it.

The only one hating here is you with your inaccurate discriptions of "lefties" and your inaccurate attempt to speak for them.

I did not stoop to speak for the right at all. Raise to a real debate. Don't stoop to a rant fight.

Not on this thread maybe. LOL....

Originally Posted by Dispondent

This country has weathered martial law, civil war, race riots, rationing and other hardships. What is found is that our system of government works. What people seem to discount today is that we are a nation at war, that sort changes things. Security takes a step to the front and with it will come some contraversial decisions by those in power. What we can learn from the past is that because the system works whatever preceived wrongs are occuring today will be rectified in the future. The whole concept the sky is falling is utterly untrue. The sky is falling argument is deliberately designed to attack the current administration. It is fear-mongering and far too often laced with hatred. It is counterproductive and will probably slow the inevitable return to what we wish to call normalcy.

There is no hate and there is no "sky is falling" here. I pointed out history and provided ample refereces for my points. There is a big diference with a real war and a war that was created to secure power. It doesn't matter which admin. has power if the break the constitution. "National security does not trump individual freedom" Justice Black & Justice Holmes: on 2 different occassions about 2 different administrations and about 2 different situations. Their full opinion are paert of the Library of Congress. They were in accordance of repealing constitutional abuses of power.