Thread: Surrender Should Not Be an Option

By Congressman Ron Paul

09/05/07 - --- -Faced with dwindling support of the Iraq War, the warhawks are redoubling their efforts. They imply we are in Iraq attacking those who attacked us, and yet this is not the case. As we know, Saddam Hussein, though not a particularly savory character, had nothing to do with 9/11. The neo-cons claim surrender should not be an option. In the same breath they claim we were attacked because of our freedoms. Why then, are they so anxious to surrender our freedoms with legislation like the Patriot Act, a repeal of our 4th amendment rights, executive orders, and presidential signing statements? With politicians like these, who needs terrorists? Do they think if we destroy our freedoms for the terrorists they will no longer have a reason to attack us? This seems the epitome of cowardice coming from those who claim a monopoly on patriotic courage.

In any case, we have achieved the goals specified in the initial authorization. Saddam Hussein has been removed. An elected government is now in place in Iraq that meets with US approval. The only weapon of mass destruction in Iraq is our military presence. Why are we still over there? Conventional wisdom would dictate that when the "mission is accomplished", the victor goes home, and that is not considered a retreat.

They claim progress is being made and we are fighting a winnable war, but this is not a view connected with reality. We can't be sure when we kill someone over there if they were truly an insurgent or an innocent Iraqi civilian. There are as many as 650,000 deaths since the war began. The anger we incite by killing innocents creates more new insurgents than our bullets can keep up with. There are no measurable goals to be achieved at this point.

The best congressional leadership can come up with is the concept of strategic redeployment, or moving our troops around, possibly into Saudi Arabia or even, alarmingly enough, into Iran. Rather than ending this war, we could be starting another one.

The American people voted for a humble foreign policy in 2000. They voted for an end to the war in 2006. Instead of recognizing the wisdom and desire of the voters, they are chided as cowards, unwilling to defend themselves. Americans are fiercely willing to defend themselves. However, we have no stomach for indiscriminate bombing in foreign lands when our actual attackers either killed themselves on 9/11 or are still at large somewhere in a country that is neither Iraq nor Iran. Defense of our homeland is one thing. Offensive tactics overseas are quite another. Worse yet, when our newly minted enemies find their way over here, where will our troops be to defend us?

The American people have NOT gotten the government they deserve. They asked for a stronger America and peace through nonintervention, yet we have a government of deceit, inaction and one that puts us in grave danger on the international front. The American People deserve much better than this. They deserve foreign and domestic policy that doesn't require they surrender their liberties. Congressman Ron Paul

Some people have watched Braveheart far too much.

Here's the primary reasons Ron is a whack job and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER, going to get the Republican nomination or EVER attain higher office.

He should be relegated to the fringe loon where he seems to find so much comfort:

"the warhawks are redoubling their efforts"

"Why then, are they so anxious to surrender our freedoms with legislation like the Patriot Act"

"repeal of our 4th amendment rights"

"With politicians like these, who needs terrorists?"

"The only weapon of mass destruction in Iraq is our military presence"

"There are as many as 650,000 deaths since the war began"

"Rather than ending this war, we could be starting another one. "

"However, we have no stomach for indiscriminate bombing in foreign lands"

"Worse yet, when our newly minted enemies find their way over here, where will our troops be to defend us? "

"we have a government of deceit, inaction and one that puts us in grave danger on the international front"

These are not the words of a Presidential candidate; these are the naive desperate rants of a complete whack job. This moron sounds like he gets all of his material from moveon.org. He makes Kucinich look moderate.

Hell, I would vote for Kucinich before I would cast a vote for someone as profoundly stupid as this moron.

I expect that there will be lots of cheering going on for this buffoon who is an embarrassment to the political establishment, and an embarrassment to America.

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Here's the primary reasons Ron is a whack job and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER, going to get the Republican nomination or EVER attain higher office.

He should be relegated to the fringe loon where he seems to find so much comfort:

"the warhawks are redoubling their efforts"

"Why then, are they so anxious to surrender our freedoms with legislation like the Patriot Act"

"repeal of our 4th amendment rights"

"With politicians like these, who needs terrorists?"

"The only weapon of mass destruction in Iraq is our military presence"

"There are as many as 650,000 deaths since the war began"

"Rather than ending this war, we could be starting another one. "

"However, we have no stomach for indiscriminate bombing in foreign lands"

"Worse yet, when our newly minted enemies find their way over here, where will our troops be to defend us? "

"we have a government of deceit, inaction and one that puts us in grave danger on the international front"

These are not the words of a Presidential candidate; these are the naive desperate rants of a complete whack job. This moron sounds like he gets all of his material from moveon.org. He makes Kucinich look moderate.

Hell, I would vote for Kucinich before I would cast a vote for someone as profoundly stupid as this moron.

I expect that there will be lots of cheering going on for this buffoon who is an embarrassment to the political establishment, and an embarrassment to America.

I can't even imagine which boring-ass mother-effer you want as president. Perhaps a cardboard cut-out of Bush?

Originally Posted by Think for myself

Some people have watched Braveheart far too much.

I am more inclined to think "mentally disturbed."

He supports Rudy, talk about your liberals.

declare victory,bring the troops home,hold a ticker tape parade!

Originally Posted by michaelr

By Congressman Ron Paul

09/05/07 - --- -Faced with dwindling support of the Iraq War, the warhawks are redoubling their efforts. They imply we are in Iraq attacking those who attacked us, and yet this is not the case. As we know, Saddam Hussein, though not a particularly savory character, had nothing to do with 9/11. The neo-cons claim surrender should not be an option. In the same breath they claim we were attacked because of our freedoms. Why then, are they so anxious to surrender our freedoms with legislation like the Patriot Act, a repeal of our 4th amendment rights, executive orders, and presidential signing statements? With politicians like these, who needs terrorists? Do they think if we destroy our freedoms for the terrorists they will no longer have a reason to attack us? This seems the epitome of cowardice coming from those who claim a monopoly on patriotic courage.

In any case, we have achieved the goals specified in the initial authorization. Saddam Hussein has been removed. An elected government is now in place in Iraq that meets with US approval. The only weapon of mass destruction in Iraq is our military presence. Why are we still over there? Conventional wisdom would dictate that when the "mission is accomplished", the victor goes home, and that is not considered a retreat.

They claim progress is being made and we are fighting a winnable war, but this is not a view connected with reality. We can't be sure when we kill someone over there if they were truly an insurgent or an innocent Iraqi civilian. There are as many as 650,000 deaths since the war began. The anger we incite by killing innocents creates more new insurgents than our bullets can keep up with. There are no measurable goals to be achieved at this point.

The best congressional leadership can come up with is the concept of strategic redeployment, or moving our troops around, possibly into Saudi Arabia or even, alarmingly enough, into Iran. Rather than ending this war, we could be starting another one.

The American people voted for a humble foreign policy in 2000. They voted for an end to the war in 2006. Instead of recognizing the wisdom and desire of the voters, they are chided as cowards, unwilling to defend themselves. Americans are fiercely willing to defend themselves. However, we have no stomach for indiscriminate bombing in foreign lands when our actual attackers either killed themselves on 9/11 or are still at large somewhere in a country that is neither Iraq nor Iran. Defense of our homeland is one thing. Offensive tactics overseas are quite another. Worse yet, when our newly minted enemies find their way over here, where will our troops be to defend us?

The American people have NOT gotten the government they deserve. They asked for a stronger America and peace through nonintervention, yet we have a government of deceit, inaction and one that puts us in grave danger on the international front. The American People deserve much better than this. They deserve foreign and domestic policy that doesn't require they surrender their liberties. Congressman Ron Paul

Ron Paul a Statesman and we need one

John Quincy Adams, America's 6th President, wrote:
"America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. ... She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force."

http://www.radioliberty.com/nlapr99.htm

Originally Posted by melchizedek22

declare victory,bring the troops home,hold a ticker tape parade!

Yeppers, I'm with that but victory is not what bush wants. He wants the OIL and the title "war president". He want to build permanent bases in Iraq to spring board other wars from. He wants his buds to get the oil revenues. He wants his buds in the military industrial complex to get huge contracts. He wants Cheney's buds to have the same, and it matters not who dies for it.

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Here's the primary reasons Ron is a whack job and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER, going to get the Republican nomination or EVER attain higher office.

He should be relegated to the fringe loon where he seems to find so much comfort:

"the warhawks are redoubling their efforts"

"Why then, are they so anxious to surrender our freedoms with legislation like the Patriot Act"

"repeal of our 4th amendment rights"

"With politicians like these, who needs terrorists?"

"The only weapon of mass destruction in Iraq is our military presence"

"There are as many as 650,000 deaths since the war began"

"Rather than ending this war, we could be starting another one. "

"However, we have no stomach for indiscriminate bombing in foreign lands"

"Worse yet, when our newly minted enemies find their way over here, where will our troops be to defend us? "

"we have a government of deceit, inaction and one that puts us in grave danger on the international front"

These are not the words of a Presidential candidate; these are the naive desperate rants of a complete whack job. This moron sounds like he gets all of his material from moveon.org. He makes Kucinich look moderate.

Hell, I would vote for Kucinich before I would cast a vote for someone as profoundly stupid as this moron.

I expect that there will be lots of cheering going on for this buffoon who is an embarrassment to the political establishment, and an embarrassment to America.

It's quite interesting that (Right) Truth Detector and (Left) Idletime both detest and rant against Ron Paul...

...It's even more interesting that they are more partisan than 95% of the people posting on this site.